Belly,
What you are proposing in making the UN a world government, the same as Bob Brown advocated recently. That would make the UN a bigger bureauracy than it now is, wasting more money. The UNHCR is a complete joke.

I completely disagree, each country must have their own sovreinty and paddle their own cannoe. No matter how wrong or backward their thinking we cannot impose our culture or make laws for them. We can only help, educate and assist to bring about family planning, that will lower birthrates. Give incentives by all means.

It has been demonstrated that with assistance and education birthrates can be lowered so that should be the aim.

With its poor track record the UN is not the body to do this and I think it better to bypass the UN and form a coalition of likeminded countries to fund and implement programmes in famine susseptable countries.

I agree that this needs to be done but disagree on how to go about it.

I agree hasbeen

the suggestion for a UN with more authority has been tried in a test model before

it was at that time called USSR

it is all just collectivist idealistic, totally impractical bunkum (but them look who is suggesting it - say no more)

The biggest problem is... it will end up like all the other remote super bureaucracies, with a Hitler - or maybe a Stalin (= Hitler x 3) at its head

It would implement more starvation, as a direct and deliberate government policy - as it was applied ruthlessly in the previous USSR
by Lenin and Stalin and anyone who dared dissent...

well go ask a Hungarian, Czech, Afghan or Chechnyan.... about that

To think, we fought the 50 year cold war for idiots to propose the adoption of the despotism of the losing side....

I would have thought such stupidity must be beyond belief

Quantumleap: ....that's the common thoughts and the norm-pipe dreams we all pretend to ignore just to make our feeling better about yourselves.

Yes, it's a pipe dream. But that's what should happen. When computing first started, many years ago there was a Game that involved keeping a balance in Nature, I forget what it was called. It involved Wolves, Deer, Grasslands, Sunshine & rain & a number of other variables. You had to keep the enviroment in balance, Too many Deer ate all the grass, too many Deer. They got sick & died. Too many wolves, they ate too many Deer, too much grass, Too many wolves. No Deer left. etc. It wasn't an easy game to play. I gave up, it could be won.
This situation in the Horn of Africa isn't a game but the rules are the same. Too many people breeding, Too many Terrorists, no rain, no crops, bad sufforcating religion. This Game is over. It cannot be won.

Belly: Any mass deaths brings mass refugees.

Does it. It may but it will bring back an equilibrium to the area. If we don;t let nature take it's course then we are to blame for compounding the problem. The millions of people that will be starving in the future event will be our fault.

The over educated Larte Greenies in their designer suits sitting around the coffee shop discussing situations like this are comparing their lifestyle with these peoples. Thinking that they are the same. THEY ARE NOT! I can hear you, "Oh, but it should be. We'll just educate them & they'll see that our lifestyle is better. They'll see that it's not nice to sit around in all that yuckky dirt."

It's never gonnna happen. Get you heads out of your ars.. Sorry the sand.

jayb EASE UP!!, if you can continue the rude abrupt posts like that above we are in trouble.
Banjo, truly, you should read others posts before replying.
Communism is evil, it also is dead.
One world government is just not going to work now at least.
We may end up with it by degrees I fear it right or left.
Stay with me.
Do we want to control world population growth.
Do we wish to improve/stop starvation world wide
Is it a good idea to remove all dictators war lords and family dynasty's running whole country's.
Can making country's safe and habitable stop people wanting to become refugees.
How then do we do it.
Put it in the hands of todays failed heads of state? continue making some rich with our aid.
Hold a sing along on every street corner put half the money in to our pocket and send the rest to buy starving kids a milk shake.
Or COMBINED world governments, put LAWS and controls in place methods and army to police and do the work needed.
Civilian governments trained to introduce own governments in those country's.
Humanity is constantly changing and improving.
We can do better in time will, but now we can do it without a bigger dictator making us do it.

Belly: if you can continue the rude abrupt posts like that above we are in trouble.

Sorry Belly Er.. everyone. Was it the head in the sand or let nature take it's course that has upset you?

It's just that all those in favor of "Save all the people." have formed that view because they are oversensitive, Queenstreet Conversationalists. They look around at their own enviroment & imagine that, that is how these people normally live & now they are living in squallor. They can't get their head around that these people live in squallor of their own making period. They like to live like that, that's their custom. The Kindness & help been given to them is exsabating the matter. I know it makes these Larte types feel good, seeing the Aid get through, but it's just posponing the ineveitable.

Sorry, have to say this GY, this bloke is one reason I am doing my best to be better.
In my two weeks away from this section of the forum I posted in articles, look always felt it was not for us down here, that maybe I was unwanted there.
Came into conflict, with this poster and another, seems a few think me being openly an ALP supporter makes me Communist/Marxist/Leninist/trash.
I am center unity ALP those insulting tags, well insult me and those who use them.
We saw intervention, I informed GY I had banned myself for life from that section, not for us Lefty's.
This poster likes to insult, a thing I have grown weary of.
Just made an attempt to stop the fall in to gutter sniping one another.
For OLO sake can we agree to put each other on the ignore list,first one to slur at the other is the weaker ok?
Thread? any chance at all man can except we must change the way we fail on these issues and look for answers.