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Are Majority's Being Wedged?

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The newly wed Royal couple are touring right now.
The Republic of Canada actually, no subservient British flag, like ours, no knee bending but both sides are enjoying the tour.
We should be a Republic.
Majority's are being pushed and shoved wedged and lead , by minority's who have to become parasites on us all to have power.
We, most of us, want perfection from governments, any of them.
Just beyond us to see from either side, at best,we get close to the middle results.
Then complaining because their every wish was not met, more minority's, some what extreme at times form.
Some research, say start with Italy, from post ww2, will see minority's inflict problems and insecure government on majority's.
Tony Abbott without a hung Parliament, without his dream he can win over the independents and take power, would not be so awful as he is.
He, with Medea ignoring truths they can see but will not, is more dangerous than any public figure post Mark Latham.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 27 June 2011 4:32:26 PM
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why shouldn't we?
Lexi,
Why some on this thread still view me as fighting change is truly beyond me. I'm all for change. The sooner the better. I'd have thought this is made rather clear in my posts. What I don't want is the present hangers on in authority is to simply cross over into a new system & continuing in their incompetent ways & costing the rest of us as dearly as they've done for years.
Let's have change, not changing the positions of those who need to be removed from decision making.
I don't want things to continue, I want them to stop. Like the union delegate who told me this morning that he was expelled from the Labor Party because he questioned Qld Government practices & wanted to help workers. In a word a true Labor man, not one of those pretend ones.
I want to change the system that allows people to cross the line at will without fear of retribution.
Morganzola & Belly, why are you trying so hard to pretend not to understand. Neither of you is that simple & you know exactly what I am alluding to, you're just worried others might want the same.
Posted by individual, Monday, 27 June 2011 6:36:26 PM
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Many times Individual, like a hungry Trout to a fly I have risen to what I thought was your bait.
It becomes clearer in every thread we meet in.
It is not a bait.
It bloke is a total refusal the believe any one can think differently than your self.
Morgonzola has ,time and again, asked you to put meat on the skeleton you put in front of us as a better way.
Even calling those words a skeleton is being too kind.
It is the very center of understanding politics, knowing all views must be heard chewed over and then and only then discarded if that is the majority's wishes.
BUT if the majority come up with an evil wish, do we ask government to over rule? I think yes.
Think about all the different views on any subject, I risk red neck rage, but say man made climate change.
A majority believe the science is right man is making it.
Yet now few less than half want to pay for it.
You blast away at Labor, mate in truth defame me for my union/Labor roots, ignoring every possibility it is you who are at fault.
I left my job, as an act of protest, against a bad and BULLYING boss, no union official worth his pay would not.
But that union is still our best, of course your grumpy mate will pull down those who removed him, just think, any chance he was wrong?
Indy balance mate put your views here in print, you get stuck into me and Morgonzola, for not being able to read your mind.
Abolish the senate, one vote one value, 30 months between fixed elections,less power to states and get rid of as many local government Councils as we can.
Make things work or die but say some thing about your plans.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 27 June 2011 7:17:25 PM
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This mornings polling seems to tell me two things one that my thoughts are not far wrong.
Gillard can not recover, now it was not all her fault, her party failed to take Kevin Rudd head on, but she can not recover.
I am shown, something I knew, have seen before,the power of propaganda.
Lets look at those nice comfortable advertisements, for the mining industry.
We have seen similar before remember.
Some intent on finding fault, stopping mines, got rolled by them once.
Why are we seeing these nice warm story's in the form of adds.
Is it because of a pending fight on the tax, or fear of anti fracking as water burning while coming out of a tap pictures are seen.
I ask, do you see they are advertisements? or just links to prove public service via community involvement.
We are puppets moving as instructed by those who own us not governments business, they own governments not us.
CLIMATE CHANGE almost every sign confirms the science, some true rubbish, see its a German plot to rule the world,madness,exists.
Yet few consider we are driven like cattle by self interest to wards places and thoughts others want us to go.have.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 5:42:24 AM
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Belly the trade unions used all sorts of tactics to protect it's income and power base when threatened with workers getting the opportunity to negotiate on their own behalf.

Lot's of add's that showed just the side of the story the union bosses wanted out there, the voices of workers who benefited from having more options were not part of that story.

The miners are doing what the unions did.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 5:58:55 AM
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@ individual:

I can't speak for Belly, but my purpose in this thread has been to try and ascertain whether you are someone who has a positive vision for Australia, or whether you're just a knocker. It's very easy to whinge and moan about individual politicians, or indeed our entire political system, but it's a much harder ask to provide more effective alternative structures or mechanisms to ensure integrity of elected and appointed officials.

As it turns out, you don't seem to have the slightest idea about what form an alternative to our current system might take. As an example, I provided reference to a couple of republican models from the ARM, but they are only a couple of possibilities. What you are calling for is the replacement of the entire current political and electoral system, seemingly without the faintest idea of what you'd replace it with.

Sorry mate, but it's hard to take you seriously when you're unable to show that you've done any work towards proposing a solution to the supposed problems you bang on endlessly about. You claim not to want change for its own sake, but from where I sit that seems to be exactly what you want.

@Hasbeen:

As I said, I'm not exactly a fervent republican myself. However, the republican structures of e.g. France, Germany or the USA all have strengths from which we could draw.
Posted by morganzola, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 7:26:36 AM
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