the latter looks more competant. (e)
R0bert,
That is what scares me so much. I wonder how long it'll be before some Logie winner decides that Politics is a lucrative lurk & presto, the masses will forgive any incompetence as it will be glamourised by the leftie media. The closest to this scenario were Peter Garrett & Maxine (Lexi ?) KcKew. I believe there's an australian actress vying for followers already.

@ individual:

Now you're talking! Aside from flat tax and national service I pretty well agree with much of what you say in your last post - and tax and national service aren't directly related to matters of democracy anyway.

With respect to 'one vote one value', my understanding is that's something we pretty well have already. That's why the Electoral Commissions are constantly altering electorate boundaries, isn't it?

Or are you talking about preferential voting, which is quite a different thing altogether? In that case you'd need to specify your objections to or support for any of the various forms that exist in different democracies, before I could say whether I agree with you or not :)

and tax and national service aren't directly related to matters of democracy anyway,
morganzola,
I tend to think that everything is part in building a successful society be it part of that utopia democracy or not. We have all these variations to negate responsibilities at random but what we really need is a concrete set of rules with no alterations because of this n'that.
Make people put their cards on the table. After all, I have to when I want to do something.
People speak so highly of the Westminster system but is it really so great ? Yes, it is better than many others but we could have an even better/fairer one. I for one appreciate what has been a good system but as all things go, the Westminster system has had its day.
As for voting, if there are to be preferences then state up front who they go to. The Independents fiasco of late is an unfunny joke.

Dear Individual,

You keep referring to the "Westminster System," well according to Dennis Pryor, "Political Pryorities:How to get on top of Australian Politics," the "Westminster Ssytem," is "the illusion that the Australian government works, or should work, on the same principles as the British government. The similarities between the two systems are largely those of decor; like the use of the mace. The major difference between the two systems is that Australia is a federation, a concept totally incomprehensible to the British. An appeal to the
"Westminster System" is a slogan used by Opposition parties in an attempt to rick their opponents into foolish resignations."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/senior-police-are-demanding-prosecutors-appeal-the-aquittal-of-carnita-matthews/story-e6freuy9-1226081994538
The link belongs in another thread.
But that thread is no longer even remotely about its subject.
Here how ever I do think it adds to my concerns minority's do have, at times, more power than majority's.
In this case MAINSTREAM peoples wishes come last.

Only after I posted, then came back to read others contributions, a bad habit.
Did I see Individuals reference to *The Iron Duke*
Windsor mate is your target.
Rob Oakshot was a National party member, he held,after leaving that party, his state seat with a HUGE majority of votes.
He won the FEDERAL seat held as safe National party one, by a former Deputy Prime minister Mark Vale, who jumped ship to avoid justice the the AWB matter.
Oakshot flogged the national candidate huge win.
He was not conservative had left his party in protest his electorate loved him.
Tony WINDSOR had much the same following after walking away from the subservient National party,a servant not of country people but Liberals.
Windsor has backed a conservative state government was he a traitor then?
Bob Katter too left the National party, in NSW at least,and until Rudd's Fall the Nationals shrunk a little more at every election.
Is Katter a traitor?
Wilkie is not traitor, very few who preferences him thought he from third spot in the first preferences would win a seat.
He is strange, wants like his SA SENATOR mate to govern by poker machine, and in my view should not be in the house.
But your references about Tony and Rob,are not close to facts.