http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-debate-appalling-20110621-1gdms.html
Sorry Banjo yes I did get needlessly rude.
It frustrates me, that so much expert evidence exists, is ignored see link.
Know the bloke is telling the truth
Understand many, coal for one, have much to fight for.
IF we use clean energy they , in time hold products no one will want.
Arjay could have a ball here, but is unlikely to, he takes your side.
But truth is we do have a conspiracy, right here self interest has conned half the world in to thinking like you.
Consider again, do not avoid the figures humans have grown from 1750 to our massive numbers,it took all that previous time to get to a figure we now double every 50 years.
We burn fossil fuels at a rate that tells us we just have to pollute this world.
I will never except the very real conspiracy has not turned people away from truth man makes climate change.
Climate change is dangerous.

Shadow minister apart from your view of Paul Kelly's bit I agree with every word.
It like every thing Tony has done, is a wedge and it works.
A majority think man is causing climate change.
But will not back Gillard.
In question time, Abbott was wedged too.
He was quoted,yet again, from 2009 before he became leader, he said basically oppositions need not keep policy's once they are in government.
Abbott is all wedge not policy's all Hippocratic no democracy, he openly made the blunder, he said he would not need to or would he, act if he did not like the result.
IF he was a leader,he would have not been so open about his whole move being a lie.
Kelly has him down to pat.
Flo Gillard did not knowingly lie at the time she said those words.
She, afraid of telling us the greens had sway,never told us the full story.
Sorry for her my party and me and you, but she let herself be branded liar and nothing can turn that around.

Belly, I know that the PM did not knowing lie. The Opposition are also well aware of that, but it suits them to give the impression that the opposite is true.

The PM did say there would be a carbon pricing mechanism which the PM has introduced.

What I say is still true, we are past the stage where it should matter. The allegations of lying have been discussed to death.

What is important is the legalisation that is being introduced.

Belly, Flo,

A promise is a promise.

If I promise not to do something, and then go ahead and do it, I have broken a promise and my promise is now a lie irrespective of whether I intended to break the promise or not at the time I made it.

Julia Gillard lied to Australia. It became a lie the moment she announced she was to impose a carbon tax.

This lie will haunt her every time she makes a promise. This will kill Labor next election.

Lexi,

The government is implementing bad policy. Why should the coalition sit back and let it happen? If Labor fails, the coalition is a shoo in.

SM,

That's interesting. However what "bad policy" are you referring to.
And has it been implemented so that we're able to judge it correctly?
If not then all the Opposition is doing is condemnation. What are they
offering in its place that's so much better? And what makes you think they're a shoe-in - when they're not providing any better alternative.
As anybody who works in a competitive environment knows - criticism is easy - however come up with better ideas and solutions or you won't be taken seriosuly and you will simply look like a troublemaker
or worse - a loser.

Flo I agree, however you will see shadow minister is continuing Conservatives slanted views on it.
Because it has worked,so very many, ill informed if you like, are now fixed in the view Gillard lied.
Look at our achievements, they are many.
Look to at Abbott's policy's they are bound for failure.
But Flo, as bad as Abbott would be,we must understand Gillard or who ever replaces her will/must bring in these laws a carbon tax on the way to ETS.
In ten years, trust me, it may even be far less ,Conservatives will embrace man made climate change and a system no different to pay for it.
So many past events suffered conservative Henny Pennyism,this is the end stuff, that another scare on their creditability is not going to be remembered by the next generation.
NOTE SM is both praising Paul Kelly and ignoring his best editorial this year.
It is conservative policy on every issue just say no, NO,