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The Forum > General Discussion > As Julia's lie is costing her in the polls, a plebiscite could restore her legitimacy.

As Julia's lie is costing her in the polls, a plebiscite could restore her legitimacy.

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SM, a promise is a promise. There was also a promise to bring in a carbon pricing mechanism. Now if you feel that you cannot move on to the business in hand to day, that is your problem. We cannot stay in the past forever.

What is important is what we are dealing with today. There are two options out there. A price on carbon that is beginning as fixed rate moving onto a cap and trade. The other is Mr. Abbott's so called Direct Action, that does not appear to have any support from any experts.

we are long past worrying about whether a PM lied or not. Whatever you or I say or believe, we cannot change anything.

At the end of the day, whether we like someone or not is not important. It is what they are doing now that counts. Everyone is allow to make some mistakes, as we are all humans.

Maybe you are one of those very rare specimens of human being that is perfect in everything you do
Posted by Flo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 8:11:57 PM
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I may be mistaken but John Hewson when he was leader of the Liberal party had great difficulty explaining the workings of the GST. He lost his leadership to John Howard. Going into the election John Howard with Tony Abbott's support (both on the front bench) promised there will be no GST if he were to be elected Prime Minister.
We all believed him we know what happened. What's the problem with Julia Gillard making promises to win an election?
Posted by Aquarius, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 9:12:51 PM
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Aquarius in regard to the GST Howard didn't bring it in that term. He took it to the electorate as part of an election policy at a later election. A change of mind is OK for the PM if she takes it to the next election as policy.

Howard on the other hand didn't take Work Choices to the electorate. Instead seizing on an opportunity to bring in what he had always believed we needed. That worked out well for him and the long term future of Work Choices.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 9:29:37 PM
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Belly,
You have a right to your opinion, but I will come back to you on AGW and in the meantime if you find PROOF let me know.

Right now you are busy arguing carbon dioxide tax with others.

Just remember what I said about all Labors problems coming from their failed crazy green schemes.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 11:06:17 PM
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"A promise is a promise".

Except maybe when it's a "Non-Core Promise".

O'Farrell has broken a couple of "promises" already and nobody's calling for plebiscites.

Name a government that hasn't broken a promise.

The only things that are different about this is the hung parliament factor plus Abbotts strategy to destroy and make government unworkable so as to force an early election that suits him. Pine even admitted it on TV tonight.

If it wasn't the Carbon Tax it would be something else.

This is a just bunch of troll-inspired semantic twaddle.

Would you like me to upload some cheese to go with your whine?
Posted by rache, Thursday, 23 June 2011 2:00:20 AM
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We can know with good reasoning that the Sciences now that are expounding global warming are indeed Social Science;

It well shaped scientific thinking in the eighteenth century and today, and that is Dialectical Materialism; Atheistic Intuition; - Charles Darwin is one notable person.
Here is how it is done;
\Excerpt;
The peculiar principle of Hegel’s logic is the dialectic method. Thinking
Takes a triadic way.
It proceeds from thesis to antithesis, i.e., the negation of
The thesis, and from antithesis to synthesis, i.e., the negation of the negation.
The same trinal principle of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis manifests itself
In real becoming.
For the only real thing in the universe is Gist (mind or Spirit).

Matter has its substance not in itself.
Natural things are not for themselves (für sich selber).
But Geist is for itself. What–apart from reason and divine action–is called reality is, viewed in the light of philosophy;
No compromise is possible between this Hegelian idealism and any kind of materialism.
Yet, fascinated by the prestige Hegelianism enjoyed in the
Germany of the 1840's, Marx and Engels were afraid to deviate too radically
From the only philosophical system with which they and their contemporary Countrymen were familiar.
Audio file;
http://mises.org/media/5147/7-Dialectical-Materialism
And that in a nut shell is how it is done. The mind of the Progressives and Atheism religious doctrine. The science of ridiculousness molding your lives;
Posted by All-, Thursday, 23 June 2011 3:42:07 AM
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