Belly,
You knw what, all the problems that Labor has brought upon themselves is because of left/green ideology. From the massive increase in immigration that Rudd announced first off to Gillards recent"I want to make Australians think differently about how they view themselves"

With the exception of the BER, which was just incompedence, everything else has been green/left ideological rubbish. The boat people debarcle, other green stuff ups and now the capitulation to the greens about the cattle live exports.

Seems you have been partly caught up in it as well, with your support for the global warming/carbon dioxide scam. With nature supplying 97% of the CO2 in the atmosphere and humans the remaining 3% can our increasing/decreasing such a small amount have any bearing on the CO2 mix? You know that we have no influence on some things, like tides and earthquakes, so why would we have any on the whole climate of the world? You are a practical bloke so give it some thought.

If you want Labor to rebound, get rid of the lawyers and academics and get more practical blue colors back to running things.

For my money Abbott was right originally when he said AGW is a lot of crap. He should have stuck with that and forget about a vote on it.

People have woken up to the sham.

SM,

A plebiscite could give her legitimacy? You're again pushing your
Party's line - which as you well know is simply a distraction that
Mr Abbott is using merely as a ploy. Because as he's made it quite
clear - he won't accept the results if the answer is in favour of the
carbon tax.

So let's look at what you're saying:

The PM should bring on a plebiscite (that's only an opinion poll), and has no legal standing, one that will cost - $80 million, and one which your party will not accept if voters vote "yes" anyway. Seriously - come up with a better script. This one's not working.

Dear All-,

You're entitled to your opinion.

Frankly, I'm so tired of the same old party lines. We're experiencing a crisis in leadership at present. Not so much because people lack the qualities necessary for it, but because we systematically invalidate such qualities. It's hard in today's world for a person to stand up in excellence and power within the public realm. There are myriad forces marshalled against doing so, causing a massive brain drain from the realms of worldly power. We must re-think our own attitudes about leaders or at the rate we're going we will soon have none of any substance

Banjo! big money, self interest, hill Billy's and uniformed stand on such rubbish.
Science is proved, any bush person able to read and write by now sees every day man made climate change is real, get the time to Read my link know you are reading the most conservative pro Rabbit paper in the world.
and that Abbott is on borrowed time.

At this stage in the negotiations, does it matter whether the PM lied or not. That has been dealt with very extensively in the past.

Mr. Abbott has stated it is not about climate change exists, but how we deal with it.

What is important is whether the government policy put forward is necessary and is the way to deal with the problems or are Mr. Abbott's proposals better.

It is time to move on for the good of Australia.

Belly,

I did read your link, but not before I had posted.

Paul Kelly is a respected political commentator, but this time while what he says about policy development is correct, he has missed the point of TA's request. The request for a plebiscite by Abbott is to wedge labor.

Juliar knows full well that she would most likely lose the plebiscite, and given her low credibility rating, this would effectively kill the carbon tax. If she refuses, then she is hiding from the people. TA knows full well that Juliar will block this at all costs.

According to the latest polling nearly 4x as many people believe that Australia is worse off under Juliar than better off. This is the area that TA will fight the next election, and will pin it on the carbon tax.

http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/essential-report/

SM,

That's fair enough. Fight it at the next election by all means.
However, in the meantime let the government get on with its job -
then the voters can judge things for themselves. Afterall Howard
was given 10 years. This government should at least be allowed to
finish their term in office. Much as Mr Abbott may believe that
he should be the PM - the fact remains - he lost. Get over it.