That is a rather Hegelian view point Lexi; you assume the State runs the Economy; wrong, the whole Idealism that the State is the power is flawed in every aspect anyone of us can imagine.
The State – Governments produce nothing, it has to by compulsion excerpt and extract from the productive sector, and that is not a voluntary transaction;
You may well use word associations to France and its collapse, just as every other State in the world and its economical demise of today ; as it was both past and the same for the future, and it has one and only one common denominator that consigns the Social fabric to Retrogression stages and always is in the Egalitarian and Collectivism so named Governments along with Hegelian Banking systems , imposter term for Despotic regimes to put it more succinctly .
It is an all out attack on Economics and Individualism and private ownership ; and without that, you have absolutely nothing but ruins , and lay witness to that on a global scale.

Col may well not be aware he is so blind, quite true, a closed mind is not going to learn or under stand much.
First, as a life time ALP voter/supporter I dislike Julia Gillard.
In post after post ,on the day she took over,I said I did not trust her.
I also got it wrong, quite WRONG said she would govern well.
She has tried, often with far better policy's often bad ones.
Now Col and to be honest AUSTRALIA have like a fish left too long on the Bait, have taken Anthony Abbott's deliberate deception, [code for LIE] down deep in the guts.
Gillard me, you, no one knew a hung Parliament would be the result.
Tiny Tony [Little man in substance]Promised the world, oh yes he did!
To gain power, he held love ins with those he describes as traitors now, carrying gifts.
He KNOWS he UNDERSTANDS if his list hits the Medea his name is MUD.
And The Mad Monk understands a GREAT PROBABILITY EXISTS, AT THE TIME SHE SPOKE.
SHE NEVER KNEW SHE WOULD BE FORCED BY EVENTS TO CHANGE HER MIND.
True I who dislike the lady her personal support team think the lie is A VERY BIG CONSTRUCTED LIE that has proved you can indeed fool most of the people most of the time.
Gillard can you asure me you will restart the meat export trade or is my party about to install Bob Brown?
POWER BROKERS do you understand? life long ALP voters want war not back downs with our country's most despised party, still the greens but you are working on it.

Lexi.

There are few mixed up concepts that you repeatedly promote to make you case work. I’ll try to point these inconsistencies out, then we can re-run your case to see if it still works.

<< we won't know much about this debate until the policy is in action, implemented and working for nearly 6 months.>>

Not a clue where you get “nearly 6 months” from but we’ll leave that for the moment. At $25 per ton we will take about $11Bn per year out of the Australian economy. 10% has to be paid to the UN each year leaving about $10Bn. All the Tax will be collected from “polluters”, who will pass on all these costs to the consumer (us), some will be given back to some polluters, some will be passed down the supply chain which will also be passed to the consumers and some of the tax revenue will be paid to some of the consumers in the form of rebates for their increased costs because not one of the polluters will ever actually pay anything, they just pass it on.

This is a major economic reform and as such needs to be viewed against the proposed redistribution of GST revenues, the September tax summit, the mining tax and the health funding reforms. It is such a large change that the majority of Australian Tax payers want to vote on it.

A basic math tells us that 20 million Australians will carry $10Bn a year in reduced GDP. That’s before disbursements. Add to that $672 per taxpayer per year to cover just the interest on our government debts and it begins to look like turn the lights out.

TA said before the Plebiscite proposal, he would remove the CO2 tax if he becomes PM. The Plebiscite proposal is a political tactic and TA knows he can’t get it through, he never intended to. You are trying to create a contradiction where none exists.

An incoming government can easily remove the CO2 tax; all they have to do is reverse the process that put it there, simple.

All – your defense of Julia….
“Of course They Lie and cheat, for if the truth was to be at the forefront and social interest was the actual goal , and not this abstract Machiavellianism to preserve political power and wealth that they never have an right to claim at any expence what so ever.

Julia is only acting as a representative of the Omnipotent STATE; So give here a break.”

With those words of defense…
I would hate to see you prosecuting her… :-)

Lexi “but deffering the inevitable change is cruel.”

Then I deserve, indeed, insist on suffering the cruelty of lower taxes

and you can go off and contemplate your navel on another continent, Lexi.

“through economic complacency and finally into the torpor of stagnation - Asia's "South America."”

Assertive government regulation and higher taxation will never deflect an economy from stagnation,
Certainly the decline of UK economy has accelerated by the socialist government of Wilson / Callaghan propping up and protecting moribund industry which starved new business of both the capital and the workforce it needed for startup.
Indeed the only effect of higher taxation is to accelerate economic decline faster than a low tax regime.
For example -
Did you ever wonder why USA remains an economic powerhouse and USSR was an economic basket case – simple… higher levels of government intervention, where bureaucrats pretended they could regulate for success… (indeed the GFC, which started in USA was a product of bad government regulation which demanded Banks to Lend on affirmative action basis or lose their banking licences)

Alternatively, you could go look at the Aral sea, if you can find it….
Or look at the hole where Chernobyl once stood….

The USA had 3 mile island, the Japanese their recent nuclear problem… yet, as capitalist economies, neither suffered the devastation of Chernobyl and neither has degraded such a significant productive area, the way the collectivist bureaucrats incompetently ordered the destruction of the Aral Sea,

Like All said: you assume the state runs the economy, which is just another of the great lies of socialism

All – your defense of Julia….
“Of course They Lie and cheat, for if the truth was to be at the forefront and social interest was the actual goal , and not this abstract Machiavellianism to preserve political power and wealth that they never have an right to claim at any expence what so ever.

Julia is only acting as a representative of the Omnipotent STATE;.”

words of “defense”?

I would hate to see you prosecuting her :-)

Lexi “but deffering the inevitable change is cruel.”

Then I insist on suffering the cruelty of lower taxes

and you can go off and contemplate your navel on another continent,

“through economic complacency and finally into the torpor of stagnation - Asia's "South America."”

Assertive government regulation and higher taxation will never deflect an economy from stagnation,
Certainly the decline of UK economy was accelerated by the socialist government of Wilson / Callaghan propping up and protecting moribund industry which starved new business of both the capital and the workforce it needed for startup.
Indeed, the only effect of higher taxation is to accelerate economic decline faster than a low tax regime.
For example -
Did you ever wonder why USA remains an economic powerhouse and USSR was an economic basket case – simple: higher levels of government intervention, where bureaucrats pretended they could regulate for success (indeed the GFC, which started in USA was a product of bad government regulation which demanded Banks to Lend on affirmative action basis or lose their banking licences)

Alternatively, you could go look at the Aral sea, if you can find it!

Or look at the hole where Chernobyl once stood….

The USA had 3 Mile Island, the Japanese their recent nuclear problem… yet, as capitalist economies, neither suffered the devastation of Chernobyl and neither has degraded such a significant once productive area, the way the collectivist bureaucrats incompetently ordered the destruction of the Aral Sea,

Like All said: “you assume the state runs the economy”,

which is just another of the great lies of socialism

Belly your mind is not “closed”, it is “absent”

Dear All-,

I beg to disagree. As Bernard Keane tells us, "...Australia is a very
different economy to the one which focuses on industries dominated by the private sector. We're a very mixed economy with a very strong role
for the public sector..."

Health, education, transport, security and all those other public goods which provide material benefits and strengthen our economy depend on public finding. As Keane points out,"By 2020, it's possible nearly a third of all workers will be directly or indirectly paid by the State..."

"...the most significant aspect of the current shape of our workforce is the rapid expansion of the health sector, (due to an aging population) what it also reveals is how the State is the dominant economic force in Australia."

The following link may clarify things for you:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/22/australias-mixed-economy-why-health-and-education-reform-matters/