"If we can find $11 billion dollars in fossil fuel rebates for the mining industry then why shouldn't the community be up for a fraction of that for solar panels?"

It's not the community paying $11 billion for fossil fuel rebates, it's the government. I'm against the fossil fuel rebates rebates - I thought you were too? Yes? So you're not confusing the government with the community.
So the fossil fuel rebates provide no justification do they?
But you're not answering the question. Why don't all those who favour the solar panel rebate pay for it themselves?
If you say it's good for the government to force the taxpayers to pay for the solar panel rebate, because the government presumptively represents the community, then the government represents the community in paying for the fossil fuel rebates. I don't believe it for a minute, but how can you escape this presumption - you're the one arguing it?

"Why don't you tell us why you want to know?"

I want to know because I can't see how any amount of carbon usage on your part is consistent with your beliefs? I thought it was making the planet unsafe for our grandchildren? How do you figure out how much is too much? Why is any amount okay? Doesn't that imply you have a right to exploit the planet, and pollute the atmosphere, and ruin the climate? What about your internet usage? Surely, in the scheme of things, that could not be considered essential? Something you could easily sacrifice for the good of the planet? You want other people to be *forced* to pay for your beliefs - but you aren't prepared to *voluntarily* sacrifice the merest luxury? Doesn't that smack of hypocrisy? Yes?

belly,
You said "Banjo the Australian Industry Group, no servant of Labor,and this country's other leading bosses group, believe in man made global warming.
Why if not, do they want a ten dollar price on carbon?
Why is our country seeing the diatribe against the carbon add, but refusing to look at Abbott of former health minister not supporting, yet,plain packs,he will".

It is obvious that the Industry Group is hedging their bets and having an each way bet. They can see the posibility of the carbon tax and want to reduce its impact.

Maybe the Libs are getting donations from the tobacco industry, it would not surprise. Big busness donates to both major parties to ensure we keep high immigration. Why would mining unions support the carbon tax which will effect the industries their members are in?

You are right in that we have a poor selection of politicians to choose from, each party trying to pick a popularity contest and not put up their basic beliefs and policies. Yep, they are all hollow.

leaper...you should listen to the science
not the scammers..trying to build
the next industrial solution..
[by govt subsidy]

you spent many words saying gibberish/spin
but when you add lime to an acid
the acid aint acid

how to explain it to those full of spin and fear

the ocean is salty
we bath in it
[and it dont melt the skin off our body]

now hold your hand in acid
it melts

[now is the sea/ocean...salty or acidy..
its an either or question]

[yes im aware salt is an acid..[
but is the sea more like a bubble bath
than an acid bath...and there is the spin revealed

yes we got masses of lime...
EXTRACTED FROM THE WATERS OF THE DEEP[sea/ocians]..

IT got into the water..
in the high acid..[relitivly speaking] period..
that melts just enough lime..to neutralise the waters

its a contuinual flux
if all the lime melted into the water
that means all the acid has gotten neutralised

think THE white cliffs of dover..[are made of lime]
so when they say briton has sunk..we THEN may be getting closer

but mate its all lies and spin

spin built on GUILT
so you pay your guilt tax
ITS ALL ABOUT THE NEW BIG TAX..!

just the money..money from you
to big solar...big wind
who made them big?

your tax..!
gifted to you few

its not i.o.u
u.o.me..

for the solar-cells
you got,..from my money

Please note Lexi and others'
For goodness sake folks; the figures input to the IPCC's computer modelling projections are WRONG !
The Uppsala Universities Energy Systems Group showed that.

Until the computer models are rerun using the new quantities of
available fossil fuels all discussion is useless.

Belly, you should turn your hand to writing the script for a Monty Python sketch.

Bus Driver Gillard: OK folks this is your stop.

Passenger: But this stop is not on the schedule.

Driver: Well no, but I did discuss the possibility that we might go there.

Passenger: Yes, but not on this trip.

Driver: Yes, but it’s the right thing to do.

Passenger: Hey, you just missed my stop.

Driver: It’s OK; we are a good bus company but have lost our way.

Passenger: You are missing other stops and the timetable is completely out of whack.

Driver: Just wait until the ads come on TV, they will “explain” everything.

Passenger: Why have you given all the passengers “Gerry Cans”?

Driver: We are low on fuel, our credit card is maxed out and the other bus companies are refusing to let us take more of their fuel.

Passenger: So you want us to go to the fuel depot and buy you some fuel?

Driver: Yes, because we have a “Fuel Change Committee” and they say it’s the right thing to do.

Passenger: We would be better off walking.

Driver: No, that’s not acceptable because Bob Brown, our director of “penance” says you all have to share the pain, it’s therapeutic and the right thing to do.

Passenger: Can we please go back to the terminus and exchange our tickets or a least get another driver?

Driver: No you can’t, this is what you all voted for. Anyway, just think yourself lucky you don’t have that “other” driver, he would make a real mess of things!

Ring ring, ring ring, ring ring……..Oh! my wake-up call. Thank goodness that was just a bad dream.

Being criticised for faith in Christ is so easy when you see the stupidity of those who have faith in the pseudo science of man made global warming. How embarassing for those who are interested in true science. Tony Abbott has only lost credibility because he along with any other person honest knows a that man made global warming is what he originally said it was. How foolish we must look to other countries to destroy our own prosperity all so we can look good in the sight of a few deceived and pompous UN officials.