Dear Peter,

If we can find $11 billion dollars in fossil fuel rebates for the mining industry then why shouldn't the community be up for a fraction of that for solar panels?

As to "How are you reducing your carbon footprint, btw?" why on earth should I be telling you? If you were asking advice how you might do the same then I would have no problem but that is not why you are asking is it. Why don't you tell us why you want to know?

I don't usually get into the arguments about climate change because I really don't believe it is human activity that caused it, and I am always afraid of getting lynched :
Posted by suzeonline, Sunday, 29 May 2011 7:12:00 PM

Oh really:) Then explain this, and tell me how billions of more people than there is now on this planet, wont make the arguments your so afraid of. Here are some links, just to show the non-human effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyOD2YTu_Lg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BseOyexWSm8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_pollution

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=polution+by+humans.+you+tube&docid=836607737994&mid=2129EF276894FE834A5C2129EF276894FE834A5C&FORM=LKVR13

Yes the human impact suzeonline:) your all guilty, and Iam not your friend. Play your cards...........cause we're all watching you all.

And the clock is really ticking.

Good luck.

leap

I never suggested we shouldn't do all we can to preserve our environment and find cleaner ways to provide our world with power, or that the world is worse off with the many more billions of people now living here.

All I said was that I didn't believe that humans could directly affect the climate. I believe the Earth and solar system do that well enough by themselves.

I still prefer solar power, and I ensure I use recycling bins, and I do whatever I can to help lessen pollution on this earth.
For the record, I am not a Liberal supporter or a religious person as such.

I don't need to follow the reasonings of one scientist against another if I don't want to.

That doesn't make me any better or any worse than any 'humans-cause- climate-change-believers', just different.

Sheesh! I just knew I should never have put my thoughts foreword on this subject.
I'm out of here...

Dont worry Sue, your not what we are after:) and its very brave of you to make your opinions here or any where else. I know your in the medical profession, so you see haft of what normal people DONT see each day.......and when I said "Iam not your friend" It means Iam here for the reasoned understandings that we are all here for.

Iam a realist. I can only see real things. And I see the planet that Iam standing on, and if the human-race that I love, destroys the very thing that's given us all this chance to evolve on, how can anyone say what you see is not the saddest thing we are doing to ourselves and all we need to survive on.
I risk jail, persecution, prosecution, and all the rest. What a sad species we have become, and I once had dreams as a child.

You wouldn't think Environmentalists are highly intelligent people:) but we are.
See! there are people that know the truth and if your out of here, then your maybe a rear end of a bad dream:) but Iam not here to insult you, most can do that by themselves.

Thanks to belly, the most sanctimonious realist, in his own right:) I feel for the man, I really do.......but just to understand a dedicated poster....adjective pious, smug, hypocritical, pi (Brit. slang), too good to be true, self-righteous, self-satisfied, goody-goody (informal), unctuous, holier-than-thou, priggish, pietistic, canting, pharisaical, Tartuffian or Tartufian He writes smug, sanctimonious rubbish.....but this is not always the case, but with us all.

A wake up call............I wonder what that means:)

I guess we are human after all, who would of figured:)

Now! back to the earth that gives us all life....and yes....you religious people are in-clued.

Now that we are all here...........speak up, or for ever hold your peace.

LEA

We all have views lets see them here, but can each of us consider both sides?
Banjo the Australian Industry Group, no servant of Labor,and this country's other leading bosses group, believe in man made global warming.
Why if not, do they want a ten dollar price on carbon?
Why is our country seeing the diatribe against the carbon add, but refusing to look at Abbott of former health minister not supporting, yet,plain packs,he will.
Tony will dance naked if it helped.
Why is my country spending so much time money and effort in limiting losses on poker machines but not even trying to stop drug barons becoming millionaires.
We do need to wake up second grade politicians seem to have forgotten what they once stood for.
I offer as evidence Banjo and others STILL beleiving a world wide conspiracy exists, and that we who fear climate change have been conned, as proof we must wake up.

see the joke
we got a KATE/bank-cheque..on tv telling us were bad
[yet on her own mansions roof sit over 60 solar cells]
estimated cost @ 1000$ per cell=$60,000[jeez how much power does she use?

did she get govt subsidy
for her gross excessive abuse of power?

next joke is we got a solar ship..[oops sorry boat]
with 800 solar cells on its extended deck
did they get a subsidy i wonder

[cost 800,000]
to run a large twin hull ferry size boat
PLUS REPLACING THE BATTERIES..[every few years]

[noting its going in..for service at cairns/next]
seems its batteries wear out every few thousand..amp hours .//./lol

but there is yet more
to the joke

see with smokers they learned guilt works
make fools feel guilty you can tax them into their graves

but there is more
usa raises 6 billion..from quater of a billion people

and we 20 million..will be raising 25 billion..
per year]..

[but we dont know EVEN the starting price..[yet]..
nor how much that 'price'..will go up to

so ya kids will be paying
whatever the bankers think we MUST pay
this simngle issue..will cost us the world

the kids will be saying to you
mummmy you paid all our money..to build a forrest
that dont grow food...

now mummy im hungry...
so mummy what will you do?

go right a blankcheque to kate /mate