Individual, hope it helps, maybe you should not sit on the BBQ?
Rechtub, sorry no, the whole world awaits Australia's actions.
It seems the ugly nature of the packs is reversing the reason most took up smoking,to look cool.
As for your line about oranges and apples, bloke you do not believe that? no you could not run a business and think that.
It clearly is not going to be easy to wake some up.
They are deeply in a coma.

SM,

You don't have to quote the entire report. Nobody is suggesting that you do. However you should cite the full quote - not just a selective portion - was the point I was making. A partial quote does give people the wrong impression - but then you know that.

Ross Garnaut is an avid supporter of climate change action. His nuggets of truth are buried amongst explanations that all will be OK.

These nuggets include that

1 the man in the street will in one way or another pay for the tax,
2 without a global agreement there will be no visible change for Australians. All he can offer for this global agreement is that he hopes that Australia has some influence.
3 Jobs will be lost in the carbon intensive and trade exposed businesses.

I could go on. I challenge you to refute any of what I said.

SM as you are aware some who will be fined only export ,so we will not pay for them.
in the long run I do not feel like constructing a defense,you are very near right.
The idea as you know, is to progressively force nonpolluting fuels and methods on polluters.
No ETS TAX or fines for clean industry drives better out comes.
Save some of your ammo, see little doubt exists, your side here and in your HQ tea party Republican America,changes will see a change adopting an ETS a conservative wish,,,again.
Give you some ammo, question why a tax on clean LPG, why stop solar industry's for the second time,plenty of good true stuff about the tide is turning on this one ok?

Belly,
Poor sod, you just cant't stand it when someone shows more sense than you can muster.
Last time I sat on the BBQ I thought I'd noticed something move in the ember, t'was you was it ?

Individual have another look at your post in fact mate at your last say ten.
Are you having any issues? I hope not true, but do it for me old mate.
Have you noticed you tend to put every one down.
Not just me I can take what I dish out.
But this poor sod, me,is willing to bet my house against your cat or dog, my IQ is better than yours, no bluff.
You leave no room to retreat, no room to Say sorry I got it wrong.
Face to face we would not say those words, you would,within a sentence understand it is no way to talk to a man.
On the phone it would be the same.
Here in print a beckon shines just as it does in body movements we know as body Language.
Yours is pomposity.
My thoughts views and ideas are mine I own them,believe in them.
Remind even you when I am wrong
Individual my poor old mate, consider this.
Life has told me this,those like you,who consider them selves always right others always wrong are to feel sorry for, and rarely,your posts prove it ,right.
Wake up mate you are looking at your phone number not your IQ