When Kevin Rudd appeared on Q&A and told us all that 'some in the ALP never wanted a carbon tax' we all 'wondered' if that was Julia Gillard.

Now, with the AWU boss coming out to warn her off a carbon tax, lest his union loses a single member, we find out just who those in the ALP are who deny the need for any action.

This action also conveniently allows Julia to dump the tax that she never supported herself, very cosy indeed.

Paul Howes, the man-behind-Julia, pulls her strings in the economic field while the Christian lobby pull her 'moral' strings.

The extreme right of politics, which is where the AWU sits, is in full accord with the extreme right of Christianity, both climate deniers.

It's worth remembering that Wayne Swan is also backed by the AWU, so when Rudd was trying hard not to name Julia and her backer Paul Howes, was he also trying not to name Wayne Swan?

I was looking for the punch line Blue, but when I couldn't find it I realised you must be serious.

Surely the slime ball, you, & his mates in the ABC chardonnay set don't think they can do it again?

Unbelievable!

The Labor Party are in absolute chaos.They don't even know what they believe.Poll driven policies and their control by large corporate interests has made them impotent and incompetent.

Labor no longer believes in any social justice, our sovernignty,or the country's well being.All is explained away by Globalism.It is all out of their hands.Why then should they then exist at all?

Hasbeen, sorry but I am not sure I follow your thinking here.

"Surely the slime ball, you, & his mates in the ABC chardonnay set don't think they can do it again?"

Am I the 'slime ball' you refer to, or is that Swan?

Does Swan have mates in the ABC?

I was unaware of that, but I am not sure it is the least bit relevant anyway.

I am serious, and like Arjay I, and many others, can see the ALP barely deserves to exist anymore.

Gillard is in a precarious position in government but she has given up 'government' to concentrate only on 'politics', and it is resulting in very bad politics that so resembles Abbott's that, frankly, we might as well have Abbott and be done with it.

Arjay is spot on, the ALP are bereft of any hint of any distinctive ideaology of their own.

Gillard has now resorted to a Poor Laws attitude, tied to her Baptist notions of noblesse oblige but only for the 'deserving poor'.

Gillard is but a husk of a person supported by the AWUs Swan, who is clearly controlled by Howes.

We have the worst of every possible world with Gillard and Howes, sorry, Howes and Gillard, running the nation.

Hasbeen I have doubts you are some times in control of your thoughts.
The Blue Cross is a green, very much so, but you have no right,NONE to put words like that in print.
It is WRONG, totally to think for a second Paul Howe's controls Gillard.
I think highly of him.
And as you know am A REFUGEE from one branch of my LIFETIME UNION.
It is leaderless, Howe's rides three horses here, steel making is AWU coverage.
Members fear the dribble,yes dribbling out of the policy's.
Look to Bill Ludwig for direction the AWU thoughts on this.
No one knows,just what direction or plan Gillard has.
Fear is natural, and concern about job security too.
Gillard, LONG AGO, abandoned ANY LOYALTY to the union movement.
SHE and SWAN, helped by an ex ALP federal secretary did not want an ETS.
never EVER forget NEVER FORGIVE the greens intent on a cost that would cripple this country, stopped Labor getting an ETS.
Gillard should go Labor should put up an ETS or nothing
But while the TBC is following a path I reject He has a right to do as he wishes
I invite every reader, greens for sure to read about the Marickvill city council, its green leadership, its directions and silliness
No conservation just extremism.
A wolf in sheep's clothing.

Sorry, Belly, this long-time Labor voter thinks that Gillard and her government are appalling.

I still can't engage much in politics at the moment because I'm so disillusioned by the spectacle.
Where is the distinction between Abbott's mob and Labor? Political ideology (and I use the term loosely) emanating from both sides is identical in its odium.
In fact, I can't see the reason for all their cross-chamber animosity because both parties represent the same vacuous policy direction.

Gillard is hollow and reactionary. Her penchant for blanket standarisation - a la My School, is indicative of a puritanical attitude to the populace at large. She's all statistics and no substance.

She'll have us all sitting on spikes next