In a forum that has so many who contribute to conversations about politics.
At a time we truly stand challenged by poor leaders and worse policy handling we find many unwilling to contribute here.
Why have Australians gone from strong support for climate change action to strongly against it.
Why have the policy's of John Howard and Turnbull been ignored.
Kevin 07 is now a doggy bag of left over half hearted half eaten policy's.
Stubborn refusal of Gillards very active,left overs from her partner ship with Latham, are not unlike Mark.
Self promoting overly ambitious but unskilled in the extreme.
Gillard has been left then right for then against every thing.
Both ex leaders are more wanted than the wasted ones in control now.
Yet still, some think our dysfunctional Parliament needs more power to the far worse lost forever greens?
Dream your dreams my middle and upper class ex brothers, but the truth is greens are the nigh mare for all who love this country.
Consider this, we would have done already what every country one day MUST had an ETS,but for the radicalism of the greens.

Belly, you sound like an hysterical Cardinal Pell, or a halfwitted editor/journalist from The Australian.

The climate, economic and social position we all find ourselves in are the direct result of the policies of the major political parties all over the western world.

YOU and YOUR views, and YOU and YOUR blind support for anyone in the ALP, are far more dangerous than a person who hopes for a more sustainable economic and social system and dares to question what is on offer now.

You are blind, you are irresponsible, you are a cypher of the hegemonic forces that are destroying the very world you say you like!

Take stock before you lose all sight of what you actually value.

TBC thanks, truly I needed that! now I add that badge of merit to others.
Some who know nothing of politics here have said much the same of me.
Some who know little of anything have too, here.
Others blinded to other than right wing near fascism of tea party conservatives as well.
However of all those awards yours is most valued, if I offend such an entrenched green I do well by working class Australia.
In my hungry youth my first memory of an active roll in politics was standing at age 5 along side my dad.
On election day out side what was to be my school,dad handed out Labor HTV.
He was spit on, by a man who spoke of England as home, but was third generation Australian.
He did no answer his door that night.
Folly took me to think Communism,then Socialism was the answer to poverty.
Still dream on TBC we have moved on, wise men and women understand, most of us do not want those folly's to rule.
Most want to help others but to be rewarded for effort.
12%! never in my lifetime have we been more upset with our major party's.
YET 12% is the best your lost radical mob can get.
Its all down hill for your dream time mixture of radical/rat bag/refugees from reality.
Read the history of Marickville Council, see even Bob Browns thoughts on it.
Understand the impending double dissolution election will forever marginalize your party.
For too long a refuge for ALP voters its only purpose now, the only result of its direction, is to keep conservatives in power.

Belly,

Tell me what Labor stands for these days?

Australia must NEVER FORGET it was in the greens power to pass a bill bringing in an ETS.
From a base of 12% of the vote.
They wanted to set a price that would cripple this country.
Conservation? not in the slightest banning trade with Israel is more important than our environment.
Join the Liberals or my mob,but do not be fooled even the extreme left have found a home in the greens.

Poirot

Poor Belly suffers the same problem as the ALP, irrelevance.

I am far from being a all-the-way-with-Brown acolyte, I have very serious doubts about many of the people in the Greens.

They seem to attract serious thinkers, like Brown, and at the branch level of lot of wierd crystal gazers and well meaning warmnfuzzies with no clear identifying political theme running through the party.

Merely 'saving the environment' is as meaningless as anything the ALP 'grand policies' once stated.

There is a shortage of policy detail in the Green camp, for sure, but at least the ideal is right.

You ask Belly what the ALP stands for.

He can best answer that for himself, but I also wonder why anyone would even spend two seconds considering the ALP as a serious party anymore, having absorbed all the Coalition policies since 1983 and making them their own.

Gillard, more so even than Rudd, represents all that is failed about the ALP, hence my choice of the word 'husk' to describe her.

I think Belly will have to retreat to before Chiff's days to find something worthwhile, because there is no evidence that the ALP cares about anyone without lots of money, a deep religious 'faith', fully employed and totally healthy, not afflicted with any form of mental illness, and so on.

Still, maybe he will just realise there is nothing positive to say about the modern ALP and his silence will speak louder than any feeble claims he attempts?