Belly,

I agree with TBC.

You said, "Join the Liberals or my mob...."

What do you mean "or" - is there a difference?

Perhaps if Labor did represent an alternative, the Greens would not be hosting their disaffected vote.

I too have a Question.
Piriot/The Blue Cross.
Can you say I am wrong in making this statement?
For every green voter, three are totally repelled by them?
And at our lowest, a spot we deserve, we have almost three voters to your one.
Nation wide 88% of Australians do not share you loyalty .
ALP at present has much to do, some protecting it today need to look at leadership and polls.
But what do the greens stand for? are you really sure they are not just a lost rabble of lefty dreamers and middle class nongs?

As I thought Belly, you are totally unable to explain what the ALP stands for today.

As for the level of support for the Greens, who knows how many people are 'repelled' by them , other than you and Cardinal Pell that is?

Yes, more people vote for the ALP than the Greens, but don't forget, even I very reluctantly 'vote' for the ALP with my cast off preference vote, but I most certainly do not support the ALP, in fact, I was so disgusted by them I resigned when Beazley was leader.

The ALP is losing members all the time, and now only ALP officials and union officials make up the membership. There are no real numbers of 'ordinary people' left in the ALP anymore, so disgusted are people by its poor behaviour and lack of integrity.

I reviewed my thoughts as I had expressed them in this thread over night.
I often do, and think it is of benefit to us all to do so.
Yes Passion is on display, and no I am no longer part of my union, oh I have one, just maybe two mates there.
And a few hundred members who still are too.
But my branch suffered a bit,and it still is, an ego out of control has killed forever? the relation ship with past members, including life ones, no I am not a life member.
SELF interest has blinkered that place.
My party, any one,any one,can find in my posts if ONLY THEY LOOK I am unhappy with them.
But true reform only comes via Labor.
Post big Mal two leaders put us on the map, gutsy reforms even conservatives knew took guts.
We stand for reform, we said sorry we in NSW made more National parks,we helped Brown get his win Labor saved the Franklin.
I could pat my party on the back in ten posts.
Now is not the time for it.
While we stand head and shoulders above Abbott we are bound for the rocks.
Even Howe's yesterday made public noises that neglected this.
Our party is in need of help, infested with left overs from Mark Lathams self indulgence.
A leader who can best serve by leaving now,and behind the scenes idiots who produce policy's in a badly set up machine left over from a stone crusher.
I now my green opponent tell you this,the fact we are too close to your mob is hurting my party.

Now for the greens only about two in ten truly understand politics.
Oh others think they know,have seen glimpses from TV news or shock jocks, had mum and dad say always vote for our mob.
But few look deeply into a simple rule, for every action there will be a reaction.
How many remember Browns words to Bush,his party's plans to remove our armed forces and hope we never need help.
How would our economy be if we stopped using and exporting coal.
TBC how many Australians think like the greens, can your party have ANY POWER without riding on the back of mine or conservatives?
Is it not true largely it is a hiding place for ex ALP voters who want things other than the 88% who never will vote for your team.
Tonight, ANY who claims interest in politics must look, Marickville council, a green lady Mayoress her green colleges, and FOUR IDIOT ALP councilors.
Sit to see if it is truly the business of an inner city council to draft this country's International policy.
BLESS them!my silly brothers and sisters too!
We at least seen how deadly it would be if such got true power.
Some call for more party's, some more independents.
I think those who have our country's best interests at heart should think of fixing the ones we have.
We have seen the DLP twist the working class leg keeping conservatives in power.
That is our fate in harness with the greens/lead by Gillard/without change.
Out the back off Parliament house are the bones of one nation Democrats DLP and soon the greens.
We will be better for it.

Belly, you repeat yourself in frothing anger.

Direct your anger to your own conservatism and your conservative political party.

The working class are and always have been right wing. The DLP merely tapped into a period of religious bigotry that Australia happily absorbed and nurtured, for years, still in fact, and took the working class traitors with them, which included rather too many trades unions, including yours.

I agree that most people do not bother to even try to understand 'politics', and those ALP drones who remain in the party are one eyed 'true believers'. There is no 'thought' process to most people's attachment to their political party, hence their rapid decline these days.

I note that you are still unable to nominate a single 'ALP Value' in all your ranting so far.

The Greens are full of ex-ALP members, that is true, and is a mark of how foolish the ALP have been in adopting the neo-liberalism of today under Hawke-Keating and cutting off their nose in the process.

Your 'best performer' is Arbib, the Prince of Darkness, who can shed no light on anything.

Your 'most desired' is Shorten, a man who supports school chaplains for their 'moral values',yet was still able to ditch his missus and took up with the False-Queen's little gurl, in a typical display of double standards, on a par with Gillard's return to her Baptist church at the same time as living in sin with a bloody hairdresser!

Really Belly, your lot is done for, and good riddance too.

However, you and I still are faced by drongo's as big as your lot, in the Coalition.

The similarity of your crew and the Coalition tells me that the Australian public has no interest at all in politics. When the next crash comes though, there will be no 'alternative plan' to the one we now have, and Australia will descend into an even more conservative paradigm.

I am sure you will be proud to have been a part of our nations downward spiral.