Runner and Leigh.
Sorry for delay
Runner, I agree not much would change.
Leigh. Umm Interesting comment.
Cant say I think Peter's is going to change much but yes he's one to convince.
You seem to have some faith.
Given his background it would be interesting.
Your correct that he would be the man if you can grab his attention. Perhaps one day we might be given that opportunity with some Muslim leaders. I hope your right.

Belly-Minorities ? What are you talking about? Fact is 99% of Australians have spoken. Fact is after three enquiries into the trade ALL which recomemded a Ban the Government ignored those findings. Thats not a minority its a majority.

They were better off with Simmon but Rudd put a stop to that along with poor old Kym.

Belly I said this thread is NOT about live exports.
It goes to the very bone! of our society. It questions does the leader of the opposition for Trade have a duty to disclose the whole truth to the public.?
That is "through an enquiry" especially the AWB which was the largest enquiry ever held in Australia and at any other time for that matter.
This could just as easily been a Lib Shadow Minister Belly.

The question remains still do the people who pay their wages have a right to be informed of all the facts known to him at all time.?

The AWB enquiry was paid for by the public so why should the public be kept from all the facts?

Fact was at that time Belly that the AWB were under investigation and the live export issue was on 60 minutes at the same time.

There is a clear connection between AWB and the money that went to Saddam.
AWB purchased the live exports and it was not! just wheat money that went to Saddam but also the cruel live animal export trade as well.
Fact is he Mr Rudd was supplied those facts and documents but failed to disclose that information to the public.

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

Antje Struthmann

paleif,
Have read through your links and found nothing of substance. If AWB are so conscious of the link to Landmark, why do they include "an AWB company" on all Landmark letterheads and on the signs on retail premises. Landmark is predominately a fertiliser and chemical retailer with finance, realestate and livestock arms. The sale to AWB was no secret.Imagine PALE's delight when they found the secret Wesfarmers MEDIA RELEASE. Amazing detective work.
Shock/horror that AWB would buy a business to actually make money, PALE's insinuation that it is this money that funded the kickbacks. A deliberate misrepresentation in order to slow the Live export market, purported as fact.

The statement 99% of Australians have said they agree with you?
At best you are quite wrong.
In fact it is a lie!
John Howard would be proud of you!
If the question was do you like money no number close to 99% would say yes.
miss truth never wins arguments do you still want to claim 99%?

goodness
Cant you comprehend the issue.
I never said anything about 99%of people agreeing with me! I was refering to polls
The connection between AWB and live exports was kept very quite from the public.

Many ordinary people hearing names like LandMark and Westfarmers DONT connect that with anything in particular.

That aside This thread is to ask the question should Ministers_ Both in power and opposition disclose ALL?

What are the requirments of all Sentors and ministers paid by the tax payer to disclose all.?

Especially in the middle of an enquiry regarding a topic enquiry that was aired just days before on 60 minutes.?

As the man himself said. He has interests and he understands.
Our question is does he.
Which interests come first?. His Duty as shadow Minister or his private and personal biz?
I think the Gold Coast Bulletin summed in up when they reported>

GOLD COAST BULLETIN

LIVE EXPORT TRADE INQUIRY WOULD BE LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER

THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed­eral Labor politicians struggling to galv­anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.

The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.

Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.

Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.

The Gold Coast-based Halal Kind Meats is off to the backblocks of Queensland and West­ern Australia to look for Australian slaughter­ing opportunities. Dozens of Australian abatt­oirs have closed since the live export trade boomed in the 1990s. Kindness to animals is part of the Australian 'fair go' tradition.

Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 10:46:56 AM

"Many ordinary people hearing names like LandMark and Westfarmers DONT connect that with anything in particular."

Perhaps some living in blissfull unawareness on the Gold Coast
don't, but for the rest of us its common knowledge.

Rojo wrote a great post. Anyone who knows anything about farming,
is well aware that Landmark is owned by AWB and that Landmark
act as livestock agents for live exporters too. Its never been
a secret, ever!

As for what money went back to the Saddam regime, it was their
own money that went back to them, not farmers money or Landmark
money. Those costs were added to the bill, if you understand the
figures. Interesting that 2000 companies were involved in the
kickbacks story, many American, yet so far a huge scene has only
been made about 1 or 2 of them.

As to what was written in the Gold Coast Bulletin by some
reader, why should anyone care what they think?

Your claims of 99% are untrue your flood of words trying to convince others is made meaningless by such untruths.
You are a minor part of a very small forever minority.
regards but truth matters.