Why is Gillard now so keen to introduce a carbon tax yet compensate large polluters for additional costs and consumers for increased prices ? Logic says that a sufficiently large price signal is needed to change industry practice and reduce consumption ... with the ultimate goal of reducing carbon pollution.

With what Gillard describes as 'generous compensation', the incentive to change is likely to be insignificant .. and the effect on CO2 emissions negligible. As currently proposed, Gillard's carbon tax / ETS is just a money-go-round ... likely to achieve nothing.

So let's get Garnaut to sweeten the deal .. promise some tax cuts for those on lower wages. Popular .. but will it achieve anything for climate change / global warming ? Highly unlikely.

And its yet another deception.

Why would any thinking government make substantial changes to its tax system .. before the tax summit it has scheduled for October ? Little logic there.

So, Gillard's carbon tax / ETS / tax-cut compensation package is yet another 'con' .... first a promise that there would be no such carbon tax ... then 'being forced to compromise' because of the hung parliament ... then the lie that she went into the last election wanting an ETS (she didn't .. she wanted a 'consensus committee') ...

now we have imposition of a new tax being offset by tax cuts ...
whilst the mining industry has negotiated to pay $ 60 billion less than originally planned ....

And this mob reckon they are 'good economic managers' ??

Is it really compulsory for politicians to leave their brains at home when they go to work .. or is it just an unfortunate habit ... on both sides ?

Would it not make more sense to wait for a move from the 'large emitters', then see what effect their strategies have and perhaps follow suit if they get positive results.

Why is it that this government is obsessed with obtaining the 'trophy' here.

Krud so badly wanted to take his 'ETS' trophy to Copenhagen, yet Copenhagen was nothing more than what many of us saw it for, 'a waste of tax payers money'.

>>Is it really compulsory for politicians to leave their brains at home when they go to work

Now the reason behind these stupid decisions is quite simply the fact that we pay peanuts, so we end up with monkeys.

its the clever use of spin i detest
lets tax the big emmiters[ie coal users and petro users]

the big emmiters is you
calling them big business is a lie
they pass it on to you..GET IT

you are made to feel you wont be taxed
but you must know YOU WILL be taxed

it is getting absurdly difficult to find info

i heard on bbc last night a sceme*

to create biogas in kenya
that is going to produce *6 times the carbondi-oxide
it is intended to 'fix'

dw tv reported on the same thing the day before
both searches have been prevented finding
[just trying to connect to bbc has taken 8 minutes so far]

entering search terms into the box only gives a waiting loopy circle

sio from memory the sceme has been given massive hectars of land
to grow a weed people cant eat..to burn it to make biogas to make electicity..the whole sceme is paid for with euro carbon credits

seems many vilage's have been seized
and that food crops even have been taken over[to grow non food]
add in the poor dont use electicity...and will be given 'jobs' perpetually harvesting a poisen weed in lue of growing their own food

if only you could hear what was said
i did find dorkins was born in kenya
and a lot of other useless info about other things

oh i got a search result

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talk about fiddling while rome burns

its a scam people
to subsidise land clearing
[jobs for serfs and cash to the masters]

not only are the concept's based in fraud
so too is the fruits..[dont say you wernt told]

oh plenty of old 'good' stuff turned up
[from last year]
..ie pre publicity spin /pr

but not the latest
as was revealed while you slept

who cares*
go back to sleep

see the circular deciete of
juliar gulliard
http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-03-03.68.2

quote..""On the premise
of the Leader of the Opposition’s question..about rising prices:

it was he...in this parliament yesterday

who was chiding the government..for not giving sufficient information...so that you could work out...what price rises were going to be..

So let us not have any of this hypocrisy
from the Leader of the Opposition.

Out of his own mouth yesterday,
he said to this parliament he was critical of the government
because he did not have enough information to know what price rises were going to be,

and now,a short 24 hours later,
he is back to making figures up and asserting price rises.""

how difficult is it..to give the numbers?
or use the numbers garnutt gives?

""I say to the Leader of the Opposition
get to grips..with the fundamentals of this debate,"""

YES LETS..!
dont repeat circular spin

""and the fundamentals of this debate are:
climate change is real;""'

lol thats..a debate?
..or de-bait?

""it is caused by human activity;""

ONLY HUH_MAN..*ACTIVITY?
clearly this is fraud..[debatable]

""we need to reduce carbon pollution.

The best way of doing that is to price carbon
and..where we want to get to ...is
a market emissions based trading system
where the price of carbon..*is set by the market*""

capitalists
not govt

""and where the economy has a cap
on the amount of pollution it can generate.""

note carbon
has now become ""polution""

""That is the way forward.The member for Wentworth[ex banker]..
is very perceptive about these things""

lol

""and the Leader of the Opposition
should listen to his advice
and the advice of economists*[lol] around the world.

That is the right thing to do.""

Tony Abbott

Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table the speech of the former climate change minister when she said, ‘Don’t try to lead the world on it.’

Leave not granted.""

or this

""We need to transform our economy.
We need to price carbon.

Former Prime Minister John Howard
went to the 2007 election promising that""..

AND LOST...!

from here
http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-03-03.76.1

[avoiding saying
it will cost jobs]

bob brown was on 7.30 report last night

he said ..they didnt ask for the 5 years govt fixed price
that came from committie...lol

so ju-liar lied again
it wernt the 'greens'

if big business needs a new thing to trade in
let big business set the price

get govt away from the whole topic
[govts cant run trading scemes..
why let them set the rules]

but the big busy ness body neds govt to get their next exclusive franchise ..to trade in carbon credits..[to turn food crops into SUBSIDISED BIO fuels]..

the latest thing reported in germany
[where food production isnt subsidised
so looses farmland for food to those wanting govt subsidy

to make subsidised fuel

govt pririties have become subverted to business intrests
and still we get greenie mouthpieces defending the lies

yesterday on big ideas [abc]
was an ex smoker lobbiest..now moved on to the green thing
revealing how big m,oney subverted science[its sad they cant se this carbon tax thing is the same thing]..big business neding biogas plants or selling solar or wind cells

big business subveerting the science
to grow corn into fuel[subsidised]
to clear land in kenya

when will you see the lies
its the same spin that saw big tobacco
legsislated to pay ...for its own demise..

the rapists now have their next victim...
consumers..[the bigest group of polluters]..
who shall all pay tax ..based on a lobby-lie..in the end

Carbon dioxide never was nor ever will be a pollutant.
We spend billions of taxpayers dollars trying to get rid of it. Why? Do we want to have a mass extermination of all life forms on earth?

Parliamentarians are always looking for a way to tax the poor punter and this is no different.