Belly,

I find it interesting that you are happy to ditch your colleagues in Wollongong. However, BSS was only one example, as all manufacturing and food production competes with imports and has an energy input.

This puts at risk all farming and manufacturing jobs, and threatens to leave Australia as a service based industry only.

It is notable that countries in the EU are backing away from parts of the ETS (which is only partial anyway) and one of the 10 states in the USA that Juliar cited as having a carbon price is about to abandon it.

We are about to tax household to provide a band aid for the conscience of the greens who are shown to be the biggest consumers of gas guzzling SUVs etc. This hypocrisy is sickening.

In the history of this country many have been called traitors.
I again highlight if blue scope is to go under will it be carbon that kills it.
We stopped selling butter to England, a lot more too after they joined the EU.
The SM of those days told us we would all be ruined, yet we developed many more markets and the world did not end.
My question has to be this.
if man made climate change is true, do we all go down together or make sacrifices?
The deniers include some very unintelligent groups.
one claims it is a plot to give Germany control of the world.
It is in my view sad so very many want to link communism with climate change science.
silly sad and wrong.

belly look atwhat you said

""Now fossil fuels,..note we are getting short of them?""

ok the question mark may indicate you doudt it
and rightfully so..we are nowhere near ..the halfway mark yetthat half way mark is called peak oil..we have many decades of oil to go to even reach peak oil

now lets skip one line and quote another line of yours

""Petro chemicals ...would you spend a few bob
defending all that cash ..if it was yours.""

yes i guess i would
but i would also be defending it..if i knew others were lying
and trying to send me broke..based on a lie..

but mate look at how you defend your party
its not because of money but because of pride
[and thats fine mate]

but see that this wasnt greated in labvour 'party'
it was generated by the faceless egsecutive..who serve not the party nor the members..but the same big money as the liberals

mate this was john howards plan
why canm you see a lie is a lie if its from john
bot cant twell a lie from julia..both are scaming a lie

you said well written
read the link belly

i only listed the first ten
there are still 90 other reasons AT THE LINK

please think my brother
if the tax comes in it will cost me less than 40 bucks a year
[i use just over a ton a year on my electick bill]
dont have a car..and dont buy food etc

also big petro isnt paying me
im purely going on them lying
this is carbon tax by deception

worse if it was true[and it isnt]
taxing only one greenhouse gas wont fix the problem

as repeatedly said
the farmers [nitrous oxide]..
and the miners [methane]..

THEY ALONE
make half*.. the greenhouse gasses
and get off ..tax free

belly look atwhat you said

""Now fossil fuels,..note we are getting short of them?""

ok the question mark may indicate you doudt it
and rightfully so..we are nowhere near ..the halfway mark yet

that half way mark is called peak oil..
we have many decades of oil to go
to even reach peak oil

now lets skip one line
and quote another line of yours

""Petro chemicals ...would you spend a few bob
defending all that cash ..if it was yours.""

yes i guess i would
but i would also be defending it..

if i knew others were lying
and trying to send me broke..based on a lie..

but mate look at how you defend your party
its not because of money but because of pride
[and thats fine mate]

but see that this wasnt greated in labvour 'party'..!

it was generated by the faceless egsecutive..
who serve not the party nor the members..but the same big money as the liberals

mate this was john howards*plan..!

why canm you see a lie is a lie
if its from john
but cant tell a lie
from julia..

both are scaming a lie

you said well written
read the link belly

i only listed the first ten
there are still 90 other reasons AT THE LINK

please think my brother
if the tax comes in it will cost me less than 40 bucks a year
[i use just over a ton a year on my electick bill]
dont have a car..and dont buy food etc

also big petro isnt paying me
im purely going on them lying
this is carbon tax by deception

worse if it was true[and it isnt]

taxing only one greenhouse gas wont fix the problem

as repeatedly said
the farmers [nitrous oxide]..
and the miners [methane]..

THEY ALONE
make half*.. the greenhouse gasses

cant you see
even burning gas STILL generates co2
about half of coal..but co2 none the less

furher laying a pipeline..to the fraking gas wells
[that leak a lot of methane..

but worse..involves clearing land
[50 meters either side of the pipeline]..

ie further co2 created by clearing the land..
just to lay some pipes to pipe the gas..

mate every way you look at it
the cure is worse than what they claim they are trying to fix

real; scientists have said
we will reduce climate change
less than one point [point .ooo1 of a degree]

[currently the temp difference betwen day and night
is near 10 full degrees]..

so a tiny fraction
of a degree ..is a huge con

howards con
the liberal party con

knowing labour alone has the green numbers to pull it off
[then disappear like nsw labour has

while the libs come back
to do more work choice type stuff
but being the 'good guys'..saying we will cancel the big new tax

[but then wont]
and then its work choices two
all because you trusted ..your party

rape is rape
regardless of which party is raping ya

Belly,

I never claimed we would all be ruined with a carbon tax, just poorer, and there will be no difference in the emissions world wide.

I have a suggestion, let those idiots that think that they need to set an example do it first themselves. The biggest owners of gas guzzling SUVs are the greens, their motto is "follow me, I'm right behind you!"