the absence of the 'man-made-climate-change-cult' on this thread speaks volumes.
They must be running out of hot air.

Amusing! but so far the thread could be a continuation of todays Canberra anti tax meeting.
It had Abbott thanking every one for coming, including one nation,its founder, shooters party,also wanting to return to gun laws before Howard's reforms.
Another rag tag group tells us the world wide carbon debate is a front for Germany taking over the world!
Question time, still in progress in my view must have Tony Abbott wishing he never called on the debate.
Gillard has been outstanding, so has the Labor team.
8 members[from all sides ] have been thrown out, most for an hour.
Pyne, a thorn in even his teams side for 24 hours.
I think remember its an opinion, Abbott is going to find this subject counter productive.
Hidden between the lines in his official fan book the Australian news paper this morning is a warning.
While being hard on Labor is working, being negative on every thing is not.
I believe in climate change and if man is not contributing to it we are to almost every thing else.
Every thing that over population waste, miss use of the planet, can be seen is man made.
We, all of us, should look deeper at why an opposition bound by market forces, is against open market plans for this problem.
Be aware, some groups involved in this protest are way out there others fronts for big polluters who will spend any amount to avoid fixing problems.

belly quote..""Be aware,
some groups involved in this protest
are way out there""

so we heard in a setup question
one was said to have 3 members

so how come 100's turned up?

...""others fronts for big polluters""

you mean those big poluters
*getting bailed out?

that arguement
dont float belly

ask yourself just egsactly..
"who will spend any amount""
to get a slice of the carbon credit cake!

say anything
to make the only problem carbon
to only tax carbon
[bot methane and nitrouse oxide]
hundreds of times worse

""to avoid fixing [the real]..problems.""

i thought the question about greenjobs was revealing
two apprentices...[great one julia]

oh and they get the research for free
[students do it as part of their study]

so today she who namecalls with impunity
visited a windfarm

the question i was waiting for from tony
''how much electicity..that windfarmer
[capital..[lol] windfarm]..has produced

[how much govt capital [subsidy]
what is his ...feed-in tarrif rate

how much was his projection..
versis the actual output

how many days did the wind deliver power
[that coverd costs]
how many days were wid free
[what is his record for one day
how many days did they run on a straight out loss

what does the tradesman
[looking after the apprentaces ..actually do]
how many breakdowns

re the 'greenjobs'
how many was ONLY in building it
how many fulltime/parttime

how does his output
compare to the industry/output
could it survive only..on basic tarrif inputs

what is the lifespan of a windmill
how many wind-vanes have been broken
how much does just one cost

will the feedin tarrif/subsidy
EVER come..out of carbon-credits?

Well you obviously saw question time OUG.
But gee mate you think of it differently than me.
Yes one group has three nominated members, surely you are not saying only that group attended?
Many groups did so.
Are you quite sure mining and coal all fossil fuel owners are not funding the campaign?
All those storys about Dick Smith funding greeny protesters get taken up, but we do not think big business does the same.
How much forest has man destroyed in the last 200 years.
How many water ways are unclean now.
How much coal have we burnt in those years.
How much petroleum products.
Human population growth, what was our [the worlds]population 200years ago.
What is it now.
What will it be in 200 years.
I remain convinced we play a roll in climate change.
And that we[all humanity]should understand and try to pick up our rubbish, stop doing it.

a new department to collect the lie tax, a new department to give back some of the money to the 'needy', higher prices for the average joe blow. I suggest you invest in Canberra real estate. It is already bursting with public servants promoting the gw lie and now we will have numerous more public servants to play with your money and give you a little back just before the next election. Labour for the working man. What an absolute joke!

Can we take a breath.
This thread is heading the way of all such threads.
I am not an expert.
And know of no one here who is.
So we put our views, based on what?
What we hear on shock jock radio.
Read in the tainted comic books we call news papers.
See on TV.
Yes LABOR, my party,has been totally dysfunctional on this and some other issues.
Not now, it has woken
Rudd no less Gillard, have made commitments then changed, been as handy as an ash tray on a Harley.
Abbott has held every view possible,from its rubbish to its quite true.
We look to Australian politics for answers to world wide problem.
And those crying lie are not concerned science , more believable science at least casts doubt on the thought man is not in part responsible.
CONSPIRACY theory's abound.
And miss information is out in front.
Look understand the truth ,our actions will have no effect on world temperatures.
BUT know understand ,per head of population we are among the worst emitters.
China is acting Europe is America not yet, but the world will.
Why should we not lead.
We could have been number one in solar but would not act.
To let this matter rest on our political biases is pure folly, it is not an Australian issue but a world one.
Who wants to debate human population,impacts on the planet, who wants to know just what the truth may be.
Start with the insanity that carbon is no threat to us.