Boaz has let the cat out of the bag. A person cannot be loyal or patriotic to a country if they believe in a creator because their loyalty is with their cult not their nation.
Australia is not a religious state but a secular state. I am Australian I am not Christian so therefore Australia is not a Christian country. My ancestors were Australian going back to the early 1800's they were not Christian either , Atheism gave those of my kin the independence the Australian character to face the harship of the land, the three wars the droughts and Bushfires. Australia is also a young nation forged out of the industrial revolution , out of science and rational thought. It is a nation of trouble shooters not a nation of superstition. Christianity is an alien cult which is a square peg in Australia. Christianity is a Greek new age cult risen from the Romanisation and pagan misunderstanding of Judeaism. Christianity does not belong in the antipodes. Boaz you certainly are a square peg stuck in a round hole being Christian in Australia. Why dont you lead by example and move to Jerusalem or the vatican?

Dear Westy
your reasoning does not hold.. good try though :)

In a village in Malaysia, there is ONE family which declined to embrace Christ and the Christian values associated with Him. All the other families DID embrace Christ as Saviour. In that village there are probably 15 or more families. Would you refuse to call that village 'basically Christian' in values and culture just because of the one which preferred to stay with the old life ? Not at all.

Bear in mind, I don't consider Australia a "Christian" country. We have strong traditions connecting us with the Judao Christian history and spiritual traditions but given that to seek a Christian Theocratic Government would be counter to the Biblical teaching there is not much need to worry about the likes of me seeking to establish one.

Loyalty to pagan State is easy for Christians.. just read ROMANS 13:1-5 or so.. go on..have a read. The problem and crunch for us is ONLY when were are instructed to 'deny Christ'. Now.. that is not very likely also, but if it ever came to that, we would have to make a choice on the day and take what comes, but to deny Christ is not really an option we consider.
I doubt there will be laws enacted forcing us to bow down to idols or worship the prime minister.. nor forcing us to eat food offered to idols.. or to drink blood... so its not a cat out of a bag more like a flea :)

Bazz Muslims have been here not long after the first fleet. They came here to preach to the indigenous. If you apply this to Muslims then this being a free country will be a communist. What about the ones born hear what about aboriginals. Like serious I would like to see this problem resolved. If we hate them then send them back it will cause a bigger problem, it will just add fuel to the fire. Bazz my brother or sister hatred surrounds all. But most of all it is built from oppressing. Aussie is free not white but light if you hug your enemy you feel warmth. If you distance and move them away it becomes cold. Lets teach and learn lets fix it not break it, Muslims are more in the lime light because it sells. Lets work together and make our country stronger with love. My self have studied the Koran it has nothing of this evil committed by these criminals. And why do there leaders preach this because they are becoming blind by hatred, and anger there for cant see. This is probably why god is so forgiving, that man can be lost so easy, lets not let anger control us. (verse 62 buqqura) he that is Jewish and believes in mosses and what mosses believed in. He that is Christian and believes in Jesus and in what Jesus believes in. And he that is Moslem and believes in Mohammed and what Mohammed believes in. And the sebaian if all work righteous and do good are all promised to enter the gates of heaven. The meaning of Islam is peace. To control, you must divide and that’s what happens in Lebanon. They are told who must be president and priminister one can only be by religion. A Muslim cant be president and christen cant be priminister, semi communist. We are free to chose lets not look for a solution that will create the problem we are fearing.
Muslims believe strongly in Christ and Merry. Peace be with you and may god bless you and your family.

Boaz , Jesus did not do his duty at Galipoli infact Jesus is not even an Australian Citizen , he never was, so by your own reckoning why are you not loyal to your country by worshipping a foreigner?

But then by your ideolgy Jesus was Jewish so he shouldnt be allowed in anyway.

Christians are famously the quintessential hypocrites but man you are dragging it up onto a whole new level.

Religion certainly plays a role in some of the problems we are now facing. Although a lot of Australians declare themselves to be atheists or similar, our way of life has been and still is for a lot of people influenced by a Christian heritage, and it also seems to me that it is politically correct to be respectful of any other religion except Christianity. In fact in the politically correct madness, we have been told to stop our children singing Christmas Carols, putting up Christmas trees etc, in case we offend other religions. In my last job I was told not to wish anyone Merry Christmas. Thankfully common sense does seem to be making a belated return! I and many others do wish to continue celebrating Easter,and Christmas in a traditional manner.

When Lebanonese Christians arrived here, they did blend into the society. However since Muslim numbers have increased markedly, so has the chant of racist, bigot, allow us to do what we want....increased. The hostility expressed by some of these people make most Australians wonder why they wish to live here. Although many sincere women wear Muslim veils, I believe that for others, it has become a political statement as well.

I think the Government is showing a return to common sense by changing some requirements of entry for migrants. They need to be able to communicate in English to get jobs, they need to be accepting of the society here, as it is. We need to respect them, but they must also respect us, our society and our customs as well. Respect is a two way street.

Dear Koree...I'm most concerned about you mate.. are you an Indigenous Aussie who has embraced Islam ?

Your comment that 'none of this (violence etc) is found in the Quran' which you mentioned you have studied, needs some reflection mate.. and some further input. I have to respectfully disagree about it containing a basis for violence and aggression, and much much more, related to Mohammed himself and his 'special treatment' from Allah in the area of sex.

I think most people who are fed 'Islam' today are only fed the sanitized sugar coated version. If you doubt me, have a look at the 'bitter' version, which is soundly based on the Quran and history... I'd value your comments on this by way of feedback. Can you show me for example based on the Quran and Hadith and life of mohammed that the claims made on this web site are 'incorrect' ?

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm

"The proof of the necessity of killing anyone who
curses the Prophet or finds fault with him"