BOAZ_david:
CONGRATULATIONS your comments have hit the right spot I fully agree with your assessment.

MUSLIM REFUGEES TO GO TO MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

I think if this happens a lot of the problems faced in Western Europe would not have happened and most of the problems of social isolation in Lebanese Muslims in Australia could have been avoided. If they need hold their allegiance to religion above that to their country they would only be compatible to a Muslim country.

Pericles. What I was proposing is that one cannot expect more in return than one is prepared to give.

Leigh’s fanciful assessment of “World War III” and Bazz’s guerilla warfare between Eastwood and Lakemba is just completely out of control. This might really happen with combative and aggressive ideologies these two have. So ASIO beware.

Leigh, you further said “Migrants since the 1950’s have not contributed anything more than the rest of us have, and they have done pretty well for themselves, too. Australia would have been just the same without them ...scientifically agreed figure of 13 million ...”

This really needs to be analysed and rebuked. First how did you come up with 1950s as a cut-off point to decide who has contributed and who hasn’t. Sounds completely arbitrary to me. Is it because you came to this country in 1949 and hence earn a right to make absurd claims? I noticed that another poster (whose ideas I do not entirely agree with), Rainier, is aboriginal, he might have a few things to say to you.

You said migrants “have done pretty well for themselves”, suggesting that they have been selfish and do not contribute to the wider society. You need to expand your targeted group to include non-migrants. Who isn’t here to earn a living for themselves. Do you work full time at charity?? I will take back my comments if you do. Now at least you accept that migrants are as contributory as everyone else in society, what basis/right do you have to ask your migrant neighbour to leave the country more that vacating yourself?

Your magic number of “13 million” people in Australia. Where did you get this figure? And how is it more scientific than any other randomly generated figure? So the current population of 20 mil is not sustainable? Write a letter to the Liberal Party and they might tell you something interesting.

Lastly with your claim young people do not know much and not mature enough, this really is a little patronizing. An older peson’s voice is as loud as a younger person’s,there is not necessarily a better or worst one. Older people might have experience, but younger people have ideas.

Goku,

You seem determined to win an argument that doesn't exist. I've made my opinion clear, so have you. You are the one who apparently isn't keen on seeing opinions that conflict with your own. I merely responded to you. I'm not going to do that ad infinitum.

Let's leave it at that, shall we? There is no competition as to who is right or wrong here. We've both had our say, and I not going to change my opinion any more than you are.

Further back and forth is not going change anything.

Regards.

Leigh, dont write off all young people, although you may be right about the majority. I am classified as gen Y, but still tend to lean towards a number of your argument, especially when it comes to sustainability and the need to control population levels. There are some of us (mostly out bush from what I can gather) that still have a bit of commonsense. :)

Its really a difficult problem. I dont think anyone wants to turn away someone who's life is in danger if they return to their homeland, but at the same time, BD's got a point (though I hate to encourage him). We can promote tolerance all we want, but at the end of the day, humans tend to have a long collective memory for old grievances (we seem to be pretty good at forgetting the lessons that come from these though). Put two people that have opposing views together, and sooner or later you will have a cat-fight. Whilst they may be able to tolerate each other in good times, when stress hits, people tend to lash out (or implode)and basic idealogical differences are an easy target. Does this make us good people? Perhaps not, but we need to wake up and deal with what is, rather than what we would like in an ideal world.

Country Gal,

Wat's the difference between the ideological clash between my sensible opinion (I believe so)on this toic and Leigh's professed commonsense vs the hyped-up clash between the Muslim and Christian faith? Or any another points of differences in opinion? they are all just different views on things. However per BD's or Leigh's argument and logic, one side of the debate on this topic needs to fall as it would be too dangerous to have such divergent opinions.

Leigh I am not here determined to win (I am not Muslim for your information) and your opinion is heard loud and clear. And I disagree with you. so let's rest the case as you wish.