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The Forum > General Discussion > The UN and Assylum seekers .. religious compatability must figure.

The UN and Assylum seekers .. religious compatability must figure.

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I will never agree with the thought migration should have stopped before 1950, but I understand why that poster thinks that way.
However some want to claim white migration was invasion it would have taken place sometime.
Iraq and the whole middle east, our lifestyle and incomes are going to make us a home for more migration than any want.
And very soon we shall see it happen it is unstoppable.
Our leaders both sides of the house appear unconcerned but it is about to happen.
Religion only gets a mention because some Muslims and some passages in their holly book , declare we must be killed.
And ruled under a holly law we do not follow.
Man made God I can live with that but it would be a better world without any of our many invented Gods.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 18 February 2007 4:28:20 PM
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Dear Leigh... had I not seen our Immig dept renamed "and Citizenship" I'd be tempted to agree with you that its too late.

But if I felt that way I'd do nothing but wallow in self indulgence mate.. well.. the Christian kind :) "The world is going to hell, but we're alright mate" kind of thing.

No..I believe God would have us take up the challenge and do all we can to re-shape our society in a more harmonious way. I cannot give you a chapter and verse for that, but it sure is the tone of the whole Bible.

I should have made the title "Ideological Compatability" rather than just religious, because Marxists are atheists, and I do mean them in the scheme of things.

Left and Right are fine.. its when people go outside the generally known limits of those areas that we have trouble. Left of Marx or Right of Bill Oreilly :) and a storm is brewing.

Cheers all.. anyone in Melbourne ? I'm SWELTERING !
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 18 February 2007 6:37:12 PM
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As usual Leigh’s posting does not make any sense, and the comments are nothing more than propaganda. Can you not recognize that fact that immigrants since the 1950s have contributed to the current success of this country? A lot of the so called asylum seekers who you despise are valuable assets we have today. I do not know what your background is but I can certainly tell you that a lot of non-white citizens of this country have worked very hard, normally much harder than anyone else, at work and at studies.

You further wrongfully claim that people these days do not care about their country….the answer/fact is that they do care, it is simply because they do not agree with you and your out-of-touch philosophy on race-based religion-based approach to society building. You might think all other cultures are Third World, but that is only your opinion established in front of your computer behind iron curtains. Open the door and you might see something different. Particularly young people do not share your views.

And to David, at least you are not a hypocrite, although I still disagree with a Christian-centred view of our society. How many people actually go to church these days? But I respect your knowledge and conviction.

David you also claimed “The more important thing is 'in the absence of Christianity, what is at the centre of the persons outlook'?” It could be many things other than religion, it could be money, materialism, power etc, a lot of these being practiced by so-called Christians I know.
Posted by Goku, Sunday, 18 February 2007 9:35:56 PM
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I think the refugee tribunal here in Australia does a fine job. It certainly is not that free and easy. Anyone wanting refugee status must prove that if they return to the place of origin, their life will be in fatal danger.

Immigration process is another protocol.

I was in a situation recently defending a few cases of gay former Islamics from strict religious Islamic countries. In both cases, their lives were at danger. I think I mentioned this in previous postings. In both cases, they condemned Islam, and wanted nothing to do with them. In both cases, they were victims of terrorists who have their own death squads.

There is no love lost between them and the religion that raised them in their country of origin, as the religion that raised them wants them dead.

They are graduates at universities, speak 4 languages, are gentlement, are gentle and philosophical, and want to be real Australians. They want to support this country that accepted them in, and were close to tears when Australia allowed them refugee status on compassionate grounds recognising the persecution.

They want to be Australians as soon as possible, fully integrating.

As far as I know, they are both working full time as well as volunteer with non-religious charities.

Some of the refugees from Islamic countries are affraid of the Islamic immigrants as they are here for different reasons in a conflict of interest. If Islamic communities always want debates and agreements on their terms, then refugees that fear them are less safe.
Posted by saintfletcher, Sunday, 18 February 2007 11:35:56 PM
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Islamics that is those who are terrorist, clearly not all, and those who challenge western values should not be in this country or the west.
A truth many do not wish to face is religion is subject to use by bigots and face it we are about to be forced to fight a war forced on us by bigots.
I do not want to hear of Christian bigotry a thousand years ago, its todays bigotry that threatens us all.
I do not question multi culture ism just watch all our freedoms being taken every day by big challenge it if you wish that we must fight a war one day.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 19 February 2007 7:35:06 AM
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Goku
my meaning about what is in the heart of people does not mean the normal individual values that most of us have, I'm referring there to particular ideologies which have codified objectives.

Islam, Marxism, and National Socialism would be the 3 most dangerous.

Fletch.. ur a lawyer ? I didn't realize. (but now that I know.. a POX on you :) kidding.)

SIGNATORY STATUS ON UN CONVENTIONS My most immediate political goal in this area would be to re-visit our signatory status on various conventions. We should either withdraw totally or add proviso's and exceptions which place our national security and social cohesian as our foremost priority.

In other words.. we should NEVER accept a person as an assylum seeker simply because they are 'human' but we also need to consider what 'type' of human.. are they white, do they have blue eyes..blonde hair.. OK.. just checking if ur awake there :) seriously now.. on the ideological level.. its most important that they don't hold views which might be expressed in anti social, seditious, culturally threatening or disruptive ways.

The issue of cultural threat is very real, and is as important as national security. This of course leads to the obvious question about what our culture is. Well.. thats a job for Anthropologists to write a few papers on, but it certainly can be done.
Not only should we do some cultural navel gazing, once done, we should evaluate the results in terms of usefulness and bring the best of our culture into the field of education for social re-inforcement. That way we won't be white anted culturally over time.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 19 February 2007 8:30:35 AM
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