runner,

Unfortunately the word "fundamentalist" has taken on derogatory implications due to the attitudes and behaviours of those whom identify themselves as such.

Judging by the tone of the comments that you regularly leave in your disparaging wake, it's not surprising.

Runner,

You say 'You are right however to define a fundie secularist as pigheaded and dogmatic .... '

when I say 'a secularist cannot be a fundamentalist, dogmatic and pig-headed maybe.'

Gosh, you're clever to blur the difference. But I did give you the chance when I wrote '.... maybe I'm too embedded in secularism to know the difference ?'

Or was that too close to the bone ? You didn't want to risk the pot calling the kettle black ?

Joe

Grim

you ask or state
'once again you have me genuinely curious; who do you believe your "God of the Universe, and all life in it" would be more likely to usher through the Gates of Heaven: Mahatma Gandhi, or runner?'

peoples views are very fickle. The simple fact is that if the apostle Paul who described himself as the worst of sinners gained eternal life by faith in Christ there is hope for me and you. You seem to imply that somehow a man's life makes him worthy of heaven when in actual fact it is only the shed blood of Christ that makes a sinner worthy of entrance to heaven. Whether Gandhi relied on his self righteousness or accepted the grace of God is not something I know or would wish to judge on. I will leave that to the foolish who judge man by man rather than man against Christ.

runner we rarely agree but at least you know I once walked in your shoes.
My Christianity came from mum, and turned into fire mid life.
I have lead a life learning and yearning to learn.
Taken the wrong trail often, communism, true Socialism, and Christianity.
IF NOW this instant! your God sat behind me, told me to repent or else, he would be out my door faster than a seven day bike rider.
See I thought humanity was one, did not understand the hate, the theft, the child rape, the with holding of medical aid from a child so God could fix it.
Put your trust in the Authors of the Bible, humanity, the good and the dreadful in any such book was invented and written by humans.
The fear that comes out here is based on my fears of culture/religion/politics in control of more than half the worlds population.
Without religion this thread would not need to exist for me at least.

Loudmouth You don't read to well i take it. I no what was said, and thats my opinion. Everybody nows we are talking about the hard line moslem. The would be terrorist, the ones impossible to change.

So am I to understand runner, that you believe 'worthiness' (of eternal life) has nothing to do with morality or ethics?