Loudmouth

You sound more like an agnostic to me than a fundie secularist.

Hi runner,
once again you have me genuinely curious; who do you believe your "God of the Universe, and all life in it" would be more likely to usher through the Gates of Heaven: Mahatma Gandhi, or runner?
By comparison, if a world wide poll were to be taken, who do you think would score more points as a wonderful human being, Mahatma Gandhi, or runner?

No, Runner, I'm quite sure in my own mind that there are no gods, never have been, never will be. I don't think we need them as a crutch against the unknown any more in the modern world. But if that's your own security blanket ......

I don't understand the 'fundie' part of your 'fundie secularist': to me, by definition, a secularist cannot be a fundamentalist, dogmatic and pig-headed maybe. But maybe I'm too embedded in secularism to know the difference ?

Joe

Runner you do not sell your phantom nonexistent God well.
Each God we are told is the only one.
And the creator of us all.
There in is the problem.
No God ever existed,we have no need of them , any spokesman for any God is in it for self gain, just as witch doctors had been power and promises are behind the lies.
Sure most of us liked the small victory for the young in Egypt,and hopes I do they win freedom.
And a better life.
Within seconds of the victory the country rang with these words God is great, not from a few mouths but every mouth.
As we get further away from being followers of a God are we ready for thousands of supporters of yet another?
Labor in releasing its new policy needs to understand it is such as me too who in very big numbers do not agree this experiment has failed.

Up Scope.....

Pericles, you neglect an important issue:

Commands given to Theocratic Israel 3000 yrs ago which were promulgated to regulate the social life of the tribal union, are just that... for them..and 'then'.

The primary rules for all time are the Decalogue from the Old Testament.

The New then expands, fulfills the old. We are left with the NT interpretation and limitations on...the Old.

Enter.. Muhammad...... I am the LAST prophet.. the FINAL word.. for all time.. from now.

See it? (The difference)... anything "Allah says" to Muhammad is abiding and applicable from that day until the resurrection.

Doncha love his example ? poking hot iron rods into the eyes of crims he caught.. then.. just for luck..hacking off (or perhaps slowly carving off) their hands and feet.. oops.. still not dead ? aaah.. no problem..we'll just let them die slowly and suffer until they ARE dead...

Nice.

Loudmouth,

The use of the word 'fundamentalist' has been twisted by secularist to mean everything bad. In actual fact the original meaning was one that believed in the fundamentals of the Christian faith (i.e. belief in man's sinful nature, God's goodness, Christ's Resurrection, His virgin birth etc. The fundie secularist have perverted the original meaning to lump believers ( of which one can't be without believing the fundamentals) in the same boat as Islamic terrorist. In actual fact baby killers have far more in common with fundamentalist terrorist than do the salvation army or baptist.

You are right however to define a fundie secularist as pigheaded and dogmatic despite the fact that they claim evidence for their dogmas. A fundie secularist is actually just as faith based as a Christian although they deceitfully say 'science' justifies their lies.

Belly

Your conclusions are totally non sensical.The absence of belief in God leads to more death and misery than you are willing to admit. One day you will have your wish. The salt and light will be taken from the earth and corrupt hearts will be left to destroy each other. Just look at the corruption in the godless people in the party you adore and you will see how sinful the heart of man is.