Too many arm chair critics and no action men.

Let me tell you about a recent action man.

He was faced with a group who were intent on ripping his country apart, who had deployed bombs within his towns and cities, who were deemed terrorists by a neighboring country and who had killed many of the soldiers he had sent against them. There were whole villages that were no go areas for his troops and whose inhabitants were giving aid to the enemy.

He did not want to have any more of his men killed so he employed the obvious weapon, perfectly legitimately by the position taken by some of the posters here, he gassed them.

His name was Saddam Hussein.

In the last three posts,look no further, you can see evidence why I grew out of the lost left.
I still till I die will believe in freedom for all, fair wages, center left governments before all others.
I still care , more than that hurt, fight, dream, for womens equality in the middle east and country's ruled in the name of their God.
But see the humanization of Saddam? see our threads author forgetting his mountain of crimes against his people?
He was said to be off the left, was but a left bathed in the blood of his opponents.
In one post C,steel took my case shined it and hung it for all to see, the left has long ago lost site of truth honesty and balance.
The other 2 posts? clearly show while we all can express opinions some have no idea what they are on about.
Tell me, the mountain of dead killed by this tyrant are not the subject of as much anger for the very left?

csteele,
Are you supporting the action we took to remove Saddam Hussein? Or is he one of your heros? Your post seems to post him as a hero.

///There is a salient point being made by SPQR///

No, you miss my salient point, CSteele : I’m not objecting to criticism ; I’m objecting to dishonest criticism:
You imply the use of drones is “contrary to conventions” the US has signed --it is not.
You imply the US is systematically targeting civilians – there is no evidence of this.

You seem eager to believe any account that paints the US in a bad light:
“Three travellers passed through a village …these travellers happened to be members of the Taliban …US drones…made note of the presence ….the following morning …a drone bombed the homes of the villages”
There are a dozen possible explanations for this incident –yet you and your source, chose the conspiracy and murder line.

Definitely, there are civilian causalities – here’s a few clues as to why:
1)The militants conscript--or dress as women themselves –to sneak past checkpoints and deliver bombs.
2)The militants conscript children for the same –even on at least one occasion, a mongoloid child.
3)They have hidden weapons and training camps inside mosques and schools or in residential suburbs.
And when the inevitable occurs they squeal like scolded pigs: “woman/children targeted!”.

And if by chance it doesn’t happen—they just fake it:
I recall seeing video (captured by drone!) of militants , in the Arab-Israeli theatre, filling stretchers with pretend wounded, complete with bandages covering pretend wounds, designed to fool the Western media.

And here’s another you might remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpI12vvntnE

You seem to think it’s all about the US cleaning up its act. It wouldn’t matter if the US was squeaky clean, you’d still be finding atrocity reports, because the militants play the spin game:
--- Accounts that are for the consumption of those aspiring to a bourgeois life, are all about tribesmen trooping peacefully from village to village pursued by murderous drones that
target poor civilians, who offer them traditional hospitality.
--- Accounts that are for the consumption of those aspiring to a higher abode ( & houris), are all about blowing-up , burning, or beheadings .

csteele it appears in that post was trying to, well interpretations can differ but I think say we would condemn Saddam but not America.
In fact there is a great deal of difference.
Tell me this, if the west ,all of us, left these country's to them selves, came home stayed home.
Would terrorism stay there too.
Would those within even Iran who want a better life more freedom be better or worse.
Fighting without killing Poirot?
This is not world champion wrestling .
The fact is far too many think we are a primitive of shoot of humanity, that not believing in their God makes us, well read their holly book.
We too, yes many of us, are convinced they are primitive.
But if we lay down our weapons, give peace a chance [nice song but unrealistic] will they?
Would the cold war have been hot if one side disarmed? of course it would have.
Cultures life differences show clearly peace is not on every ones list.
I am not ever going to hear the lefts lost idea that we are the aggressors and who ever America fights is the good peace loving victim.