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Halal meat

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Jolanda, you reek with superiority.
just google your name and read.
everyone has a choice.
you say no, this is Australia etc. YES MULTICULTURAL.
nobody is pushing anything on anyone.
you are racist. you have the attitide of your way or the highway. all I am saying is that we have a choice where whether we buy halal or not.
nobody if forcing any religion or beliefs on anybody. or do you have a door to door muslim sales person visiting your place.

what proof do you have?
you are just a cronic complainer. google and read
Posted by Tootsie @ home, Friday, 2 March 2007 7:51:37 AM
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Here goes Tootsie once again trying to discredit me to take the attention away from my legidimate arguments and concerns.

If I go to a shop and everything has been CHANGED to Halal I don't have a choice. A choice means choosing to buy Halal. A choice is not being unable to buy anything at all because all there is is Halal. If Muslims want to eat Halal then it should be something that they have to ask for it shouldn't be mainstream as it is not what the majority want. We live in a Democracy and majority rules.

Google my name to your little hearts content. I have opinions, I have issues with the Department of Education and Government. I have the evidence to support every complaint that I have made. Writing on On line Opinion or on Your say is not lodging complaints, it is discussing issues and concerns. This is a country where we have freedom of speech, or do you want to take that away from me too and call it a choice.

My actual complaints have been formally made and in the near future they are going to be put through the Court. You cannot discredit me on the basis of that as I am the one that is telling the truth. Or doesn't that matter?
Posted by Jolanda, Friday, 2 March 2007 7:59:49 AM
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JOLANDA, ITS NOT MAINTSTREAM..

IF YOUR BUTCHERS HAS CHANGED TO HALAL, ITS HIS RIGHT. IT MUST OF CHANGED HANDS. GO ELSE WHERE. YOU HAVE A CHOICE. MOST BUTCHERS DO NOT SELL HALAL.

WHICH BUTCHER HAS CHANGED TO HALAL. POST THE BUTCHERS SHOP NAME. WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE TO BUY HALAL IN THE SHIRE. SAVES ME GOING TO BANKSTOWN.

POST THE NAME OF THE BUTCHER IN THE SHIRE THAT HAS CHANGED TO HALAL PLEASE. THANKS JOLANDA.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. HALAL MEAT CANNOT SIT NEXT NON HALAL MEAT. SO THE BUTCHER MUST SELL HALAL OR NON HALAL.
Posted by Tootsie @ home, Friday, 2 March 2007 8:19:07 AM
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I, for one, would not choose to buy anything that has been blessed or prepared for any religion. Therefore, it is essential that such foodstuffs be clearly labelled. Putting a certificate on the wall is inadequate.

When I buy food, I do not consider that it has religious significance and I agree that it is taking choice away if we are not aware. I am unaware that Tim Tams, milk etc are Halal. I will check up on that as it is taking away my choice by not informing me.

It is a bit like the reluctance of supermarkets to identify where fruit and vegetables come from. I want to buy Australian grown but when I enquired, I was informed that it disadvantages other members of the market. But by not identifying this, it takes away my choice of buying Australian grown. Sometimes notices are put up, but other times there is no identification. When we talk about choice, it should be informed choice. Start a petition Jolanda, I will sign it willingly.
Posted by Lizzie4, Friday, 2 March 2007 9:15:29 AM
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LIST OF HALAL BUTCHERS IN SYDNEY:
Abu Ali Butcher Riverwood
Dayaa Al. Carlton Al Pak Halal Butcher Lakemba Al Shimal Quality Meats Greenacre Al-Ameen Smallgoods & Meats Bossley Park Ali Baba Butcher Harris Park Allouche Butchery Arncliffe Alreda Butchery Auburn Anadolu Butchery East Lakes Angliss Arncliffe Australian Kebab Manufactoring Pty Ltd Prestons Baiada Poultry Pendle Hill Banksia Halal Butcher Blacktown Halal Meats Blacktown Burhan Family Butchery Auburn Campbelltown Meatex Meat Campbelltown Chame & Akkaow Halal Meat Bankstown Cordina Chicken Chicken supplies only Girraween Dannoun Butchery Darwiche Butchery Lakemba Dee Why Halal Butchery Dee Why El-Zahra Halal Butchery Arncliffe Fresh Poultry Company Padstow Golden Horn Halal Butchery Enmore Golden Smallgoods Casula Hafda Butchery - Halal Meat Liverpool Halal Butchery Lakemba Hamka Halal Meat Arncliffe Hamka Nibah Arncliffe Hamzae & Mousa Butchery Airds Happy Family Butcher Belmore Hassan's Green Valley Halal Meat Green Valley Hilal Halal Meat Dulwich Hill Homebush Halal Meat Croydon Park Hourani Halal Meat Arncliffe Inan Butchery Liverpool Indo-Malay Halal Butcher Lakemba Jabal Amed Butchery Rockdale Jakarta Butchery Dulwich Hill K M Sahyouni Butchery Lakemba Khalil Halal Butchery Liverpool Lakemba Halal Meats Belmore 2192Nour Elhouda Butchery Lakemba Noureddin Butchery Lurnea Oz Abdulla Kebabs Seven Hills Ozlem Butchery Chester Hill Pasha Butchery Auburn Punchbowl Halal Butchery Liverpool Rockdale Halal Meat Rockdale Rooty Hill Quality Halal Meats Rooty Hill Saddik Bros Butchery Granville Sultan Halal Meat Campsie T.J. Muamullah Pty Ltd Kensington Taweel Butchery Lakemba The Muslimi Butcher Shop Liverpool Vatan Butchery Mascot Villawood Butcher ShopVillawood

Most foods default to Halal. Exceptions are Alcohol, Animal Fat, Animal Shortening, Bacon, Collagen, gelatin, lard, pork or foodstuff that contain these ingredients. Also, anything stolen. Not everything has to be blessed. What matters is the ingredients. So we read the packs to determine if Halal.
Above is a list of Halal Butchers. NOTE : THERE ARE NONE IN THE SUTHERLAND SHIRE. Krispy cream donuts are Halal because they are not cooked in LARD. They is no blessing ceremony

Jolanda please post Halal butcher in the shire.
Posted by Tootsie @ home, Friday, 2 March 2007 9:40:39 AM
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I have been checking some of the claims made about halal food. Below is a question and reply in the FAQ on the Arnott's website regarding the assertion that Tim Tams are halal.

Q: Are any Arnott's biscuits Halal or Kosher certified?
A: Arnott's does not certify its products sold in Australia or New Zealand based on any particular religious beliefs or social preferences.

According to the Dairy Australia site http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/index.php?option=com_wmakes&task=specdet&AccreditationId=Halal “A food or drink which conforms to Islamic dietary laws. Halal applies to the product not the production method, therefore in the case of dairy products; milk must be from cows, sheep, camels or goats”.

As for chicken meat, below is on the Australian Chicken Meat Inc site http://www.chicken.org.au/page.php?id=150#G18

1. What is required for chicken meat to be Halal?
The chicken must be processed in a manner that is consistent with the rules of the Muslim faith, which requires that:
1. a prayer is spoken at the beginning of the day;
2. the person supervising the slaughtering process must be of Muslim faith; and
3. the facility has to be accredited by the local Muslim cleric.
2. How is this different from the non-Halal process?
The only differences are the three points listed above. A person observing the actual process would be unable to distinguish one from the other and staffing levels are identical.
3. Is all Halal chicken meat sold as Halal certified chicken meat?
Because the physical process is the same for both Halal and non-Halal products and there is no additional cost involved, approved processing plants may process a whole day’s birds observing the Halal requirements, with only some of the product being required to be Halal certified.
I have sent an email about chicken voicing my objections to not having a choice not to buy blessed food.
Posted by Lizzie4, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:03:38 AM
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