Tootsie there is no way in the world that I am going to give you anybody’s name and give you the opportunity to have the heavy put on them and make me out to be the bad guy. You want to call me a liar, then call me a liar, it’s a free country and you can say pretty much what you please, it’s another thing that we love about this country and something else that most Muslims with power have a problem with.

You listed a whole list of butchers that are Halal. What did they have some sort of presentation when they went Halal, did they throw a party, did they advertise it in the Newspaper? DID THEY ASK ANYBODY EXCEPT MUSLIMS HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT AND WHETHER THEY AGREE?

Of course not! Muslims don’t care how others feel, they are not required to care, they are loyal to their Religion and ways because they believe that their way is the right way. Your attitude is just so selfish, to say that if butchers change to accommodate Muslims, without catering for non-Muslims that it still leaves non muslims with a choice because they can choose not to buy it says a lot about your attitude.

If Australia doesn’t change their Laws so that they rule and over-ride Islamic and Sharia law then we are in trouble because at the end of the day he who is most tolerant loses and it seems that in Australia with this ridiculous Multicultural experiment – power is up for grabs.

Tolerance is one thing, but far out, to allow people to change Australia to suit the Muslims religion and laws without the consent of the Australian people, and not to care how it impacts on others is really rude and disrespectful. Cronulla happened because of this issue and unless our Government starts taking control of what is happening it will end in violence as people see their lifestyle/culture being taken over and they will rebel.

In the end Australia will resemble the Country that these people said that they escaped from.

Jolanda, you are a racist liar. anybody who reads this will agree.

who is going to put the heavy on them, you are against halal not I.

I am making a point. you say you have no choice I say yes you do, because there are no halal butchers in the Shire. If you know of one post their name so I can go my my meat there.

once again jolanda has shown her cronic complainer problem with a twist of attention seeking with racist on top. trying to discredit others with her superiority.

Lets not forget the paranoia. we have been taken over by muslims. she has agrued that we are taken over by Asians aswell. what next aliens. Jolanda this is a multicutural country. Where you born here.

Post the name. but we all know there isnt one. its all a fabrication to suit your agenda. to discredit muslims.

Jolanda, I'm still a little unsure what you see as a positive outcome to all this.

There is clearly a market for Halal meat. In other words, there are people prepared to pay for meat killed in this particular way. Just like there is a market for Kosher products. Or gluten-free products. Or vegetarian products.

Shops have spotted these market niches, and are providing for them. They are taking the commercial risk that they will be losing trade from non-Muslims, non-Jewish, gluten-tolerant carnivores in doing so. And none, as far as I know, has any means by which they can force these people into their shops.

Are you suggesting that there should be some form of national approval before a niche market can be serviced in this way?

That is, of course, out of the question in a free society such as ours, so what is it that you really want?

I strongly suspect that this is nothing more than just another vague ramble against Muslims, with absolutely nothing to do with food processing.

If so, it would be more less devious of you simply to say "I would like all these people with their strange habits to go back where they came from", rather than pretty it up with a meaningless moan about Halal meat.

It would take a little bit of courage to say this, because you would then effectively be giving everyone else permission to judge you and your lifestyle in return.

But at least it would be honest.

Pericles. You don’t seem to understand what I say. I understand that Muslims don’t want to eat non Halal products. BUT, they have to understand that non-muslims also do not want to have to eat Halal products. Therefore if they want to have Halal products available in shops they should have to pay for it and it should be available on request. They shouldn’t be allowed to make all products Halal and then tell us that if we don’t like it to choose not to purchase it.

Those that bring up concerns and issues are not the racists.

The way this is headed and the way things are going we are going to be the ones that are told to go somewhere else or to another Country if we don’t like things their way.

You want to judge my lifestyle based on your own ideas, then be my guest. I am not racist. Racists are those that think that they are superior and as a result deserve to rule others and have things their way and who do what they can to achieve their goal regardless of what host country they are in and who they upset or offend.

I am just bringing up concerns in relation to the racists that have come to live in this country.

This is what jolandas trying to say- Christianty for exampple does not demand that people today should dress in accordance with first-century dress codes, or that they can eat only what jesus ate. chritianity is thus ' supracultural' in thazt it allows people to live, dress and eat in accordance with the culture in which they are living. but this is not so with Islam. Whenever Islam becomes the dominant religion in a country, it alters the culture of that nation and transforms it into the culture of seventh- century Arabia.

This is why oit is hard for Muslims to convert to another religion. Every aspect of life has been dicated by Islam. The Muslim must follow the dicates of Islam regardless of where he lives or what he thinks about it.
Would that be a Fair Thing to Say Jolanda/ Is that why sudden appearances of Halal products concern you?
If so would you not agree it would be in the best interests of Australia to have one Halal Certifer In Australia?

Jolanda,

NOT ALL products are Halal. you have to go to a Halal Butcher to buy Halal meat. Meat products because they are slaughtered have to be blessed etc. all other foods its about the ingredients. so they check the label.

Most Muslims will eat some haram food products. like Tim Tams some say they are halal others say they are not. so some eat it some dont. its what you believe is Halal. so in fact the only difference is that Muslims that live in the shire have to travel to an islamic populated area to buy Halal meat, because there is no halal butcher in the SHire. correct Jolanda.

Funny how Jolanda avoids/wont answer the question. if you dont, it will certaining do something to your credibility.