Jolanda, yes we do had a choice. Go buy your meat at a butcher that does not sell halal. tip: Bankstown might be difficult. high percent of Muslims. go to Woolies Coles or just about every butcher in the Sutherland Shire. you are not forced to do anything. you choose where you do your shopping if you dont like the way the owner runs HIS business go else where. easy as that.

Whatever you say Tootsie. You dont seem to be listening.

Like I said before Australians will deserve what they will be served because of their attitude.

Remember what happened to the Aboriginal people, they were tolerant and understanding and look where it got them!

Jolanda how can you compare Aborignal people with this topic...
how is it comparable?

You dont seem to be listening. Australia is a multicultural country. If you dont want to buy Halal food go to another butcher. the owner of the business has a right to sell whatever he likes.
for god sake Jolanda muslim people have their own school there own churches. Catholic have there own schools etc. Should we be all robots and do the same thing. Australia then wouldnt be the wonderful country that it is. We have a choice. just like every body in this country including Muslim people. this is a multicultural country. if you dont like it maybe you should go back to your country of origin.

do you get that not all meat is Halal??

Don't you get it that they are changing that and already have and they didnt' bother to ask Australians how they felt about it and it is in relation to a religion that not everybody follows or agrees and a culture that is oppressive and controlling. If a Muslim shop wants to sell Halal meat or if they want to sell Halal meat in Bankstown then one should not be surprised but when everywhere you go (Oporto, KFC, Kentucky, Krispy Cream Donughts, local butchers just to name a few) are selling Halal meat without asking the people then you can rest assured that pretty much all meat is being processed this way and if it isn't already, it will be because nobody is doing anything to put it to a stop. They will get rid of our bibles next and our Christmas.

The situation with the Aboriginal people is the same. In came some people to their country and changed things in ways that was not in the Aboriginal people's best interest. The Aboriginal people said nothing and now they are where they are because those that came in didn't have to stop to consider those that were already here and how they felt and how it impacted on them.

I think perhaps the title of your thread could have been something like this> 'Islamic Invasion'.
It is clear as mud to me Jolanda is concerned and a bit angry that her local butcher[ probably a butcher that she's used for years simply changed.

The chain of DN company is huge world wide and growing fast.
Question is. Is there a problem with it?

Well maybe and maybe not. In the interests of National Sercurity
any company that grows overnight with amazing figures thats attached to Muslim faith should be looked at. Wasnt bush doing that?.
Apart from that donuts are donuts.
I feel a bit like a ham sandwhich commenting on this because my associates work with Muslim Leaders and I would not like anything i said here to effect that.
However to be fair to Jolanda I suggest you open another thread calling it something more appropriate.

As for Halal or Kosha or Aussie meat there is one thing! that should be considered first.

That is Is it humane.!!

Now the counter argument and what I think Jolanda is trying to say after that is as follows.[ These are facts although the figures are much higher as we are looking at around sixteen years ago.

The United Kingdom.
In England it is amazing. There are now more Arab Muslims in england than there are Methodists. There are even more muslims than there are evangelic Christians. English parliment has been forced to rule Muslims do not have to follow English common law regarding divorce. they can folloe Islamic Law instead. many say England will be the first Muslim European country.
Australia
Islams grown from 800 muslims in 1955 to well over 2000,000 by 1990. of course the rate is way higher now.

Fredom of Religion. We should be aware many Muslims take personal offense at any criticism of their belifs. They find it ' very' difficult to understand that "freedom" of religion" in the West means that people are free to criticize Islam as well as any other religion!

Would that be a fair comment Jolanda?
Antje

Jolanda, there are signs to say that they sell Halal. therfore they are letting you know. how you cant understand that is amazing.

did you know milk is halal
and did you know tim tams are halal.

chicken is halal because to be halal the chicken must not be fed meat or meat products and kept in a way of minimal suffering. so probably all chicken is halal therefore opotos and kfc are halal but not the fries. get it.

do you get that not all meat is Halal, therefore you are not forced to do anything. do you get that.