Jolanda, then, how come you say thall all meat is Halal, I dont see certificates on every butcher. why come to conclusions without finding out facts first.

If you would have asked the butcher. this whole silly thread would not have happened.

Just curious, how would you propose the government "ask".you seem to have avoided this question.

Tootsie it wasn't just my local butcher. I saw it on other butchers walls in our local shopping centre and Krispy Cream donughts too. If it is not all yet, then it is well and truly on its way to all.

How does the Government ask, you ask? By making it public and opening up the issue to debate before making decisions that impact significantly on other people and that cant easily be turned around and that are religiously based or that are based on others cultures policitical beliefs. Especially when the other culture is oppressive and wants to control.

Goodness, that you cant seem to work that out is a concern.

Jolander, you have a choice where you buy your meat/other products.
(you said you have no choice) people who own the butcher/other has a choice what they want to sell. the government cannot tell them how to run their business, would you like it. of course everything goes through an approval from local council.

the government only has a say in the public sector, hospitals etc.

why you cannot get that is a suprise

See here is the problem Tootsie, we are loosing our choice.

Jolanda, we are not loosing our choice at all.

What is wrong with Halal food anyway. did you know that Oportos is Halal. It makes no difference meat is meat chicken is chicken.

Did you know that some Mcdonalds are Halal and some KFC. you wouldnot know the difference, for crying out loud Jolanda the food is Blessed in the name of Allah. thats its. No difference to most people a lot of difference for those that are Muslim. You seem to want to complain about very trivial things.

Do you think the government is conspiring to make us all Muslim without us knowing.

Like I said they have taken away our rights and our choice. WE are now forced to eat meat that has been processed in accordance to Islamic Law and we live in Ausrtralia. If we choose not to we are being limited in what we can eat. They should be the ones that are limited not us as they came here!

It might be trivial to you Tootsie, but it isn't trivial to me.