Maxx, I believe we are both posting each other at the same time tonight!

I say, find God on your own. Priests are no closer to God than you, probably farther. That is like going to a priest to ask about your own father or mother, like he knows them, and you are a stranger to them. Priests aren't needed to explain or referee your relationship with your earthly father, and they sure aren't needed for your heavenly one. No disrespect intended, but they are no closer to God than you are. We are ALL God's children, we are ALL equally loved. No one has special favor.

You have your own close and personal relationship to God yourself- no one else can explain it for you. Through this adversity, God is trying to speak to you. I hope you learn to listen. -Aly

once again thenk you Aly, I have been reading so much during the last few months onlyone, after all the readings one thing has stuck into my mind, if I survive the accusations I will start some sort of web page or even something bigger like a campaign so as to restore men dignity within society. Onlyone one very important thing is ALWAYS forgotten by everyone, and that is the fact that untill women (of course not all women although I personally strongly believe that the majority does) use their sexuality to achieve higher position in society, higher position in the work place, selling cars and saying things like, "it's big, feels big and moaning as if she is getting an orgasm, selling furniture sitting half naked on a couch, selling shampoo whilst taking a shower and stroking the can as it was a P...., until women degrade themself in the name of money they will never be equal to man. Women are intelligent just like mens are, maybe even more, they are mose sensible than mens (generally speaking), they are and rightly so equal to man in every respect but when they use their femininity to achieve what I mentioned above then women have only themselves to blame if men find hard to give them the credit they deserve, I repeat, if women dont stop using their sexuality the way the do then men have no alternative but to always see women as a sexual object, and it's not mens fault. I know I will get attacked by many about this post, I only ask for you to read and understand it before condemning me for expressing my opinion. Continues

Maxximo, I disagree with the views expressed in the last post but don't condem.
I disagree for a number of reasons
- No group should be held responsible for the actions of some. As a single dad I've see how that kind of logic is abused.
- Choices such as the ones you mention don't excuse different choices by someone else eg - a womans choice to wear revealing clothes does not excuse rape.
- I'm left with the sense that the logic is applied unevenly. Can't the same be said for the way some men choose to be portrayed in the media. The ongoing stereotype of male as protector and provider that stops men being seen as more than that. Where we are condidered as disposable in part because of the image of men that is perpetuated by men.
- Human sexuality is real and powerfull. People will use it in different ways, some helpfull and some harmfull. Some will faunt it in harmfull ways, others will seek to suppress it and do a different kind of harm. Many will work towards finding healthy expressions of it.

There is more to it and the issues you raise can't be easily dealt with in a short post, there is a mix of responsibility and impact that I've not touched.

The hinderances to real equality for men and women are a different topic with flow on's to this one. Until we start seeing others joys, needs and hurts as being as real as our own we will continue to struggle.

R0bert

Elderly women are raped, Maxx. Men are raped. I was molested as a very small child - male children are subject to molest, as well.

Here in the states, women has been falsely accused. Women routinely get lighter sentences,however, innocent or guilty.

None of which has anything to do with TV commercials.

Robert, it seems to me that you are a very intelligent and educated man, you have touched the MOST talkable subject in the history of mankind, and that is "Today society double standards". I know it could be off topic to what you started but believe me this double standard is the cause of all the problems between human beings and much more so between men and women. You say "A woman choice to wear revealing clothes does not excuse rape" and you are ABSOLUTELY right in saying that. But, there is always a BUT. Is leaving your house door open excuse being robbed? Is leaving your car open excuse for it being stolen? Walking around showing off all the money you have in your pocket excuse being bashed possibly killed and then robbed? Walking alone at night excuse being bashed by thugs? Why do we lock doors? Why we do lock cars? Why we do not walk alone at night anymore? Why are we told to not show off money we have? Why are we told to do so many things to protect ourselves? The only reason is that this world is made not only of honest and caring human beings but is also full of criminals, rapist, assassins, murderes, thieves, and much more. Continues

Continues.... Wearing revealing clothes does not excuse rape, absolutely not but the criminally minded, the rapist is in fact encouraged by it, he doesnt care about being exzcused or not a woman wearing revealing clothes should be aware that not all men are decent human beings, there's rapist out there and those kind of people will be enouraged to carry out whatever simply because they are sick in their mind and believe that if that woman wear revealing clothes she WANTS it. Same goes for the thief, leaving the door open encourages the thief not the honest human being, showing off money in public will encourage criminals, this is society Robert, this is reality. Believing that it WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU is nothing else but UTOPIA. Cotinues