OUG, I’ve always found it difficult to follow some of your posts so I’ll follow the advice of jinny and ignore format and symbols.

<< spindoc/quote..<<..I seem to have observed..something>>
is this specific..or generally speaking?>>

Yes, specific to a corolation between self inflicted stress and deterioration in our societies.

<< some-thing..<<I can’t explain,..yet the lack of explanation..causes me even more angst.>>not everything needs a reason...not everything can be reasoned...but anything can be explained >>

Disagree, if something is inflicting pain on our society, causing bad decisions and bad outcomes. We absolutely do need to interrogate, explain and resolve the causes. Anything less is to totally abrogate our responsibilities as humans, to self or each other.

<< ok lets rebut the presumptions >> Not my presumptions, just quoting Professor Stanley’s report, you’ll have to take such issues up with her.

<< confusing..<<intelligence..>>knowing facts..<<with education.>>ability to par*rot..back propaganda..!
then yes<<..this be/the cause..of so much emotional stress..and damage..!>>> Agreed.

<< <<There seem to-be..those of us who don’t even know..what we don’t know,>>>and dont need to know EXCEPT when the media needs to generate fear..for their NEXT adgenda item >>

Some truth however, I don’t think we can blame only the media; we need to look at what other entities have agenda’s. I can think of a few.

<< <<lets call us passive..“don’t get its”.>>let not..think we are the problem...as has allready BEEN TOLD its as simple as loving neighbour...*!>>

Are you suggesting that those who love their neighbour’s are immune to the effects of our toxic society?

<< <<We muddle along..with a grumble..and a groan>>.destracted..BY TODAYS..*SPIN POINT/ADGENDA >>

The whole essence of this thread is about why we accept spin from any source. Your faith is just as much spin/agenda to others as our lack of faith is to you.

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<< <<as life..and society>>>or rather the media-spin/cycle..<<dishes out the sort of emotional stress>>>that puts us into the fight...or flight...FEAR mode...where flight..*is impossable...and fight gets you sent to a phycia_tryst..or their private prisons..and JUST_US..courts.>>

Partly agree, I think it is indeed fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) that make us vulnerable to being diverted from often painful reality. So, which entities within our societies generate FUD?

You reference the “media” several times, along with US courts and “our leaders”.

I assume that by pointing to these entities you are seeking to lay blame on them for our Toxic Societies?

If all humans suffer from “not getting it” at some level, then surely we are all guilty of making the bad decisions/choices that have caused our toxic society, which must include the institutions we have created and which we operate? This seems to be reflective guilt on your part.

Pointing the finger at others does not absolve you from your role, or the role of the entities to which you belong.

Perhaps you need to look a little closer to home to see if you or your religious affiliations have ever been involved in generating fear, uncertainty and doubt into our community?

Perhaps you need to see if your religious entity generates astonishing volumes of “stories” which are then presented as “knowledge” or are given the authority of divinity.

Is this not moving us further from reality, which might in itself be one “cause” of our toxic society? If on the other hand, you can claim to fix the problems of our toxic society, you might need to demonstrate where this is actually working. Otherwise religion might be seen as part of the problem rather than a solution.

"If, as stated by Professor Fiona Stanley we, as a species, are suffering dreadful emotional damage just by being part of our societies, what might be the “cause” of that damage?"

Most likely it is not mono-causal. Any number of social triggers could be acting against us collectively. We do have a habit of conjuring up problems beyond our current capacity to solve.

Over population is not just a numbers game, it is a psychological game played out at the expense of individual and social well being. The climate catastrophe being spruiked about the place has left great swaths of society feeling powerless.

The great cultural upheaval of the 60s and 70s which saw Western Religion loose its moral power over the masses, and the subsequent decline of The Church, came with a sexual revolution, a feminist revolution, but no moral revolution. The Church gave society a moral construct. Take that away without adequately replacing it, and society will suffer.

There is also the idea that these problems may have existed in previous civilised societies as a phase they were going through or as a mark of their decline. Our understanding of the here and now may be better understood through the there and then, perhaps.

Maybe what we need is a moral revolution, preferably secular, since returning to a dominantly faith based approach, history has shown, can be tumultuous.

nic..not nick-oh..
there is nothing of concern to god...[re loving a woe-man]

any concieved wrong..could..only be
that neither..has..[passed on their gift..*of life]
its this..'wrong'..that calls it sin..to spill the seed...

[i think its a man-thing..when men try to take their own problems...in hand..so to speak]..then the resultant mass-murder of billions of sperm.

and..im not about to make..a big point of it
[lest the first stone..be cast at me]

its absurd..that you are made to feel criminal
[or..a gulp...sinner]...for not passing on gods gift

if i was femail...i likely would...run the same way
those men...brutes..the lot of em...i certainly cant comprehend..why any woe-man..goes anywhere near us...but sadly they do..[so im told]

anyhow god loves you...[and there is a good chance...he is a she]
after-all...her first...'equal...was a-damm[man]...im still...hard of the opinion...that when he wanted a mate..like the beasts...have

she deliberatly..gave him..[XY]..his sister..{XX]

[ie..a clone......
so i infure..she was peeeved..big time]

of course the truth hurts
simular..she could rightfully be peeved..
re this blame*..eve/apple...thing

see she was still only a rib...when adam..got told
[i think it was arround the time...of the wanting a 'mate'..thingy]

anyhow..eve wasnt*..told..
the clue lies with the serphants words
[he asked did god forbid...[eve]..and god didnt
her brother/father/husband...master...did

besides under mosaic law..eve
could be forgiven,...a *sin...in any one of 5 different ways

ie a father may forgive...a daughter
or a husband..forgive a wife
or a brother...is able to forgive a sister

besides..look at who god..gave the gift
of creating a person to....

[what part of god..did she make adamm..from?]
[her mind]..it was a trick question...and some clay..!

George, not another revolution, please!

We already had several revolutions recently, all tumultuous as you can get: the communist revolution, the technological/information revolution, the "green" revolution... then you ask:

"we, as a species, are suffering dreadful emotional damage just by being part of our societies, what might be the “cause” of that damage?"

Obviously, the cause is that society is incessantly stirring, enough to make anyone crazy.

A good farmer plants a tree once. He takes the time to look for the best spot first, but he doesn't come later and say "oh, but if I move it 30 centimeters to the left then the balance of sun and moon will be better", or "I just found this better manure, so lets dig it up so I can replace the existing with this superior manure". Otherwise, the young roots will never develop.

So please be gentle, let evolution in, but please no more revolutions!

Trying to get things better is not the responsibility of society. It is up to each and every individual to improve their lives if they want to. So much in the material realm, how much more so in the moral and spiritual realms.

What society does is impose a "one size fits all" approach, then when it finds that it was not working it says "oh sorry, wrong size, lets all change it now".

Best is to get society, and the institutions which represent it, as much as possible out of our way and give us peace, then we can each grow, evolve organically and find our way at our own pace.

Yuyutsu:

This is the "zeitgeist" of our times: a turning inward of the Western mind. After centuries of looking to the outer world for our solace and power, some of us have begun to see the limits of a primarily external orientation. Some of us see how much has been sacrificed, how disempowered people have become, looking to wordly institutions for the answers that lie inside ourselves.