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The Forum > General Discussion > Some of us 'Just don't get it.'

Some of us 'Just don't get it.'

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<<By that I mean we can disagree vehemently yet appropriately. Disagreement must be respectful or the disrespect itself poisons us more than either side's position in the argument ever could.>>

Lexi,
This reminded me of a book on how Muslim should conduct themselves when differences arise over teachings. the book is titled The Ethics of Disagreement in Islam" (http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/TA_edi/Default.htm). It begins with a warning similar to yours and goes on to distill the lessons to be leaned from how the Prophet and companions settled disputes. Some of the points made, i think, have general applicability:

<<5. Commitment to God-consciousness and avoidance of personal whims made the pursuit of truth alone the goal of those who differed over an issue. It did not matter to anyone in a discussion whether the truth was voiced by him or by another person.

6. They adhered steadfastly to the Islamic norms of behavior during argumentation. They discussed matters politely and amicably, avoiding the use of vile and insulting language. Each was prepared to listen attentively to the other.

7. They eschewed hypocrisy and flattery as far as possible and exerted every effort to investigate an issue objectively. This practice, characterized by the seriousness of the argument and respect for the other person, would force the disputant into either accepting the other point of view or advancing a better opinion. >>

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/TA_edi/chapter3.html
Posted by grateful, Saturday, 20 November 2010 11:04:18 PM
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Dear George,
I am not looking for foolish fights over words, I was hoping that someone with the right qualifications would unravel the mystery of God as all the answers are found in the bible, for mans benefit not to satisfy ego. The curse is very real and I thank God for men like Jonas Salk and Alexander Fleming and all other heroes who have thought out side the box of their limitations to push back the boundaries for mankind's benefit not ego massaging. If we understood the intent of the original meaning of the English word die found in Genesis 2-17 it would be a help in unlocking the curse of sickness for by His stripes we are healed Isaiah 53-5. We perish from lack of accurate knowledge and unraveling the mystery with the truth would be a great leg up for man kind. Then we would get it. God is Good.
Posted by Richie 10, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:10:29 AM
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richie..the words are pretty much self explained
jesus explained many...later swedenborg explained others

for egsample..where fire is mentioned...they mean passions
[all consuming..wild fire passions..to small barely lit passion]

die isnt dead...its the end of a current stage
like letting this thread die..when its posabilities are expired

recall jesus conquered dead..he 'died'...on the cross..yet he was still living..[is still living]..thus needs no peter/paul or mary speaking for him...his inner good voice speaks to us each..from within..just aas his[our father sustains all living[from within]

sickness is any state...not good
[often being healed by the stripes of sickness..
births a repentant heart]..that then has passion..to do the good

with more passion than it consumed..in doing its vile..[smouldering flax..that yet refused to quench]...

that in time became a wildfire..of good fruits...
simply with a bit of nurture..it bought forth good fruit

i think the key is to let thought flow with the imagry
if it brings forth a bad image..its not of god..[not from heaven]
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 7:37:07 AM
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Richie, what ever the meaning of 'die' in Genesis 2:17, it is not physical death, since Adam and Eve went on to live long lives. We know it cannot mean spiritual death because faith in God has lived on in ever increasing flocks. We know it cannot mean the end of pleasure because their is pleasure in the world to which humans were banished. We also know that even Eve did not understand the command since her discussions with the serpent does not have the double Hebrew usage of death as shown in Genesis 3:2. Moreover, she makes reference to the touching of the fruit being forbidden which it was not.

We also know that after they had eaten of the fruit Adam and Eve became self conscious of their nakedness and fearful of being seen by God as naked. Now, nakedness of itself is not evil or good, but it does in a more aware person lead to thoughts of sexuality. So it is safe to say that eating from the forbidden tree made Adam and Eve more aware of themselves, each other and their situation in Eden which they knew had become tentative, hence their avoidance of God.

All this awareness Richie! What happened to their innocence in which they were blissfully unaware? Surely, innocence died upon the eating of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Posted by George Jetson, Sunday, 21 November 2010 11:36:29 AM
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Grateful:

Thank You for that. As we pray and meditate, attuning our hearts and minds to positive things we become universal channels for the power of good.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 21 November 2010 12:39:15 PM
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I have no rational idea as to why the Book of Enoch is not a part of the Canon of Scriptures since it is quoted by the faithful and prophets of the Old and New Testaments. Not only that, it tells of the coming of Christ! Never the less, it is considered to be of parables and myth stories recounting the Heavens of Abraham's God. More than that Richie, it gives religious credence to my claiming that to think is the meaning of life for all, something which you discounted as a valid life meaning, without even thinking about it. How perfectly ironic.

Book of Enoch - The Watchers - Chapter 5
8 And then there shall be bestowed upon the elect wisdom,
And they shall all live and never again sin,
Either through ungodliness or through pride:
But they who are wise shall be humble.

9 And they shall not again transgress,
Nor shall they sin all the days of their life,
Nor shall they die of (the divine) anger or wrath,
But they shall complete the number of the days of their life.

And their lives shall be increased in peace,
And the years of their joy shall be multiplied,
In eternal gladness and peace,
All the days of their life.
Posted by George Jetson, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:32:55 PM
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