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Einstein & the Quraan-a valid interpretation?
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Posted by Philo, Friday, 8 October 2010 3:14:41 PM
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Maybe not, grateful.
>>Pericles, Regarding your remarks about previous posts concerning alcohol. Being a former binge drinker and having the teachings of Islam extract me from the culture of booze and provide the guidance i needed, the motivation was not as simplistic as you make out.<< But I'm sure you are smart enough to see how it appeared consistent with a distinct pattern of behaviour on your part on this forum. In a way, it's a pity that you needed religion to wean you from the booze. For my mate, the catalyst was his ex-wife's threat that he would never see his daughter again. The shock that such a threat might be real (it was, deadly serious) drove him to a week's binge, after which he committed himself to a clinic. Never looked back. Highly effective. And the really good thing is that he managed to do it himself. Indeed, the very fact that he is able to acknowledge that he accomplished it entirely through his own will, is enough to ensure that he will never backslide. Sadly, you will never be able to bring yourself to claim responsibility for your own journey to abstinence. It is actually a minor tragedy, that you might go through your entire life, believing that you owe it all to a non-existent metaphysical entity. Which very, very much devalues what must have been an extremely difficult personal journey. Posted by Pericles, Friday, 8 October 2010 3:26:13 PM
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grateful the attempt to use einstein to explain cleqar contradictions may well work in closed circles but it's not an idea with any real meaning.
Re the use of "sister", I'll be more convinced of your sincerity when I see you admitting to the mongrels who fly plane full of non-combatants into buildings full of non-combatants also being your brothers. When you claim that those who stone others of your sisters to death for the crime of being raped by your brothers were also brothers. While it's a claim of convenience it's a lie. If you want to claim kinship on the basis of faith claim it for all that happens in the name of your faith, not just when someone suffers harm at the hands of someone not of your faith. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Friday, 8 October 2010 3:43:33 PM
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i...find/the need..to rebut
[or maybe/only verify,further/upon philo's statement..[re child-brides] [..pointing out..this perversion is/not-alone..limited to one belief/faith-system [lest.we-forget/...priests..etc] but..it's..ROOTS,..go deeper/ see/..settlements..in war-zones..in holy-lands from http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm I apologize..for/the'language'..which will appear..'here-UNDER' from..The official/unabridged..Soncino'..Edition/of the..'Talmud*'.. published/in 1935.. quotations/with footnotes from..the Soncino..Edition of/the...Talmud,(Book) YEBAMOTH,60b."As R.Joshua,..b.Levi related: `There was..a certain/town..in the Land of/Israel* the legitimacy..of whose/inhabitants disputed, and Rabbi..sent R.Ramanos who/conducted an inquiry and..found in it...the daughter..of a'proselyte'....* who was under the age/of three years..!and one day.., and Rabbi declared/her eligible..to live with/a priest" note..A proselyte..under the age of three years and one day may be married*..by a priest... And was married to a priest. ie.,permitted to continue..to live/with..her...'husband'! SANHEDRIN,55b-55a...:"What is/meant..by this?.. Rab said:..Pederasty with/a child..below nine years of age.. is not deemed/as..pederasty..with a child...above that. Samuel said:..Pederasty with a child..below three years is not treated.as with a child above that..... 55a)(he)..who commits bestiality,..whether naturally or unnaturally: ...or a woman..who causes...herself..to/be beastially abused, ....whether naturally..or unnaturally,..is liable to punishment." (footnotes)" (1)The reference is to..the passive..'subject'/victim..of sodomy... As stated in supra..54a, guilt is incurred..by the active participant even/if..the former be a minor;..i.e.,less/than thirteen years old... 2)Rab makes..nine years the minimum;.. but if one committed sodomy..with a child..of lesser age,... no** guilt,,is incurred..!... Samuel makes three..the minimum... (There are/thus..three distinct clauses..in this Baraitha. why single out pederasty:.. in all crimes of incest,..the'passive'adult..does not incur'guilt' ..unless*..the other'party'is..at least..nine years and a day? Hence the Baraitha/supports Rab's'contention' that..nine years..(and a day)is the minimum/age of the...passive partner..for the adult to be liable." (emphasis in original,Ed.).. Before giving..any more verbatim/quotations from the.."sort*of book".. from which..it is falsely/alleged..Jesus.."drew the teachings''.. In'official-statement'..made by Rabbi Morris..N.Kertzer.. that the Talmud"...IS THE LEGAL CODE... WHICH FORMS THE BASIS/OF..JEWISH RELIGIOUS LAW.. AND IT..IS THE TEXTBOOK..USED..IN THE TRAINING OF RABBIS"... Please bear/this..in mind as/you..read further. http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm PERVERSIONS/..ABOUND...IN ALL FORMS..OF BELIEF/DIS-BELIEF..SYSTEMS to blame...the belief-system...is absurd... its individuals..perverting to good/true...into perversion..individually...thats the real-issue Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 October 2010 5:33:13 PM
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Discussion threads like this one are utterly useless and pointless.
We have bigots on one side arguing with bigots on the other side. Each trying to score their points and each not the least bit interested in different viewpoints. Each convinced that they are right, and each convinced if you don't agree with them you're wrong. Each having the same opinion before the thread started, and each having exactly the same opinion after the thread has finished. What a waste of good internet space. Posted by Rudy, Friday, 8 October 2010 7:23:11 PM
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one under god,
I have an Orthodox Jewish Nephew trained in Israel for seven years graduating from University as a Rabbi. He was not allowed to marry till he had finished his Rabbinical studies and he spent two years intern in the USA and they chose several adult girls suitable as being a possible wife for him to meet and choose one from. It is more like Mohamet studied the 7th Century Talmud since it was composed during his time and in his country and it was from there he gained his attitudes of legitimizing child molestation. Posted by Philo, Friday, 8 October 2010 8:21:39 PM
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In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed.
Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Built on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.
It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.
Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West,such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.
While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.