This is just meaningless nonsense, grateful, and you know it.

>>Stevenlmeyer (or any other scientist): So are these verses inconsistent with what we understand about the universe?... "He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count...The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years."<<

(Apart from the fact that God doesn't exist, of course.)

Let's apply some logic, since science can only be silent on the topic.

If a "day" can in certain circumstances be equated to a thousand years, then a "year" will last 365,000 years. And if a "day" in other circumstances can be equated to fifty thousand years, a "year" will become 18.25 million years. Correct?

So, where else are there references in the Qur'an to the time-concept "year"?

Here's one

"And certainly We sent Nuh to his people, so he remained among them a thousand years save fifty years." 29:14

Let's see now... on the first scale that's 346.75 million years, and on the second - wow, a whopping 17.3 billion years. That Noah. Some guy, eh?

Clearly it makes no sense to have Noah older than the universe. What would he have used to build the ark?

What this does tell us however is that these random writings in the Qur'an that you have selected for us are, and can only be, pure metaphor. They were never intended to be taken literally - which you would need to do, if you were to give them any Einsteinian attributes.

They never had any relationship with science, and never will. Retro-fitting current scientific theory into 1400 year-old religious texts is at least pointless, and at worst, fraudulent.

Still waiting for that apology.

For a start - God is not a spatial being so spatial travel is nonsense.

LOL Bugsy & Pericles

I may as well put in my 2 cents worth.

What does “ascend” mean in this context?

And why only “heaven” and “Earth”. There are probably other life forms on other worlds.

Ascend may have had a meaning in the context of seventh century cosmology where people thought the Earth was the centre of the universe. Then everything off-Earth was, in a sense, “up there”.

These verses imply that Allah exists in the universe, that “he” has a definite location in space. Can that be correct? Can the creator of the universe exist inside his creation as a material being? Is there an “Allah point” in space?

Again this makes sense in terms of seventh century cosmology where it was thought the universe was the Earth enclosed in heavenly spheres. Then God and heaven existed, it was thought, outside the outermost sphere.

But given what we know about cosmology today these verses can mean almost anything.

And that’s why the question is meaningless. We cannot say whether the verses contradict what we know about the universe because they are so vague you can read whatever you like into them.

In the end the verses, as Pericles states, “…never had any relationship with science, and never will. Retro-fitting current scientific theory into 1400 year-old religious texts is at least pointless, and at worst, fraudulent. “

Bugsy is right. Perhaps they refer to the post office

im...gratefull..to/be allowed..to correct...an-error
[that/of people/selectivly...quoting..a holy text...out of context]

be it the torah/bible/or the quaran...bagdavita..or the works of budda/swedenberg...and so many of gods other messengers...sent/to guide/man-kind

qute/in context...<<32:4 It is Allah..Who has created..the heavens and the earth,..and all between them,..in six Days,

and {he}..is firmly established..on the Throne..(of Authority):

ye have none,..besides Him,..to protect or intercede..(for you):

will ye not/then..receive admonition?

32:5..He/rules..(all)-affairs..from the heavens/to the earth:

in the end will..(all affairs)..go up/to Him,
on a Day,..the space whereof..will be..(as)..a thousand years
of your reckoning.


32:6..Such is He,/the Knower-of..all things,..hidden and open,
the Exalted..(in power),..the Merciful;-


32:7 He Who/has..made everything..which/He-has..created most good:
He began..the creation of/man..with..(nothing more/than)..clay,


32:8 And made..his progeny/from a quintessence..of the nature
of...a fluid despised:


32:9 But..He fashioned/him..in due proportion,
and breathed..into him..something of..His*{own}..spirit.

And He/gave-you..(the faculties of)..hearing and sight
and feeling..(and understanding):

little thanks do/ye..give!

let/go..Al Ma'ârij
Surah/70...The Ascending-Stairways

70:1-3...A questioner/asked-about..a Penalty/to befall-The Unbelievers, the..{consequence/fruit/of}..which..there is none/to ward{its harvest}off,(A Penalty)..from Allah's..Lord of/the Ways..of Ascent.


70:4-5 The angels..and the spirit ascend/unto him..in a Day

[the measure whereof..is..(as)..fifty thousand years:}Therefore do thou hold/Patience,..a Patience/of beautiful..(contentment).


70:6 They see the..(Day)..indeed as/a..far-off..(event):


70:7 But We see it..(quite)..near....
{indeed..as/the same..eternal'day'...
as in the next-realms..there is no night/
life continues...on unbroken..by dawns..or sunsets..!


70:8=9 The Day/that the sky...will be like molten brass,..And the mountains..will be like/wool,
[lies 50.000 years...hence...!]

and...then

70:10..And no friend..will ask/after..a friend,
[for we are all brothers/sisters...
with the one father..[god]..who gave/us-all..life]


70:11..Though they will/be put-in sight..of each other,->>
[thus/even heaven/hell draw closer]..and

<<the sinner's/desire..will be:..[the wish/that he
Would[do]..that he could...
[to]..redeem himself..from the Penalty/of..that Day>>..[judgement-day]

the good-news...being...we can redeem/ourselves..from hell
simply by..'going..and sin-no/more

lets speak plainly
in 50,000 years time

there will be a 'day'...of judgment
[lasting 1000 years..of our mortal-rekoning]

those residing in the dark-hells
have thus a limited time to repent..their love of vile

make of it what you will
it is not god who will judge

recall satan/shall be set-free/from his pit for 1000 years..[bible]...[revelations]

so guess..who will be...the holy-host...[Lord of/the Ways..of Ascent]
in say 48,000 plus...years hence?

Given the absense of a denial I guess it is agreed that the verses are consistent with what we know about the universe.

Pericles: your Noah example seems to prove the point. the Qur'aan did NOT afterall say

"....it will ascend to Him in a THOUSAND YEARS, the extent of which is a WHOPPING 17.3 BILLION years of those which you count."

This would be inconsistent with what we know of the universe.

However, it says:
"He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in A DAY, the extent of which is a THOUSAND YEARS of those which you count."(32:5)

...and this is consistent with what we know.

Pericles are you a scientist?

There was a reference to Allah having a defined position. A traditional source of learning on the nature of Allah you can read the Aqueedah a-Tahawi
http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/aqeedahNotes.pdf.

You'll see from this that clearly Allah is not considered to have a position.

As for whether the earth is considered the only source of life in the universe, the following verse indicates that life exists throughout the universe:

"And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the living creatures He has scattered through them." (42.29)

There are no verses in the Qur'aan which state that the sun orbits the earth. There are verses which state that the sun follows an orbit and is not stationary. Is this inconsistent with what we know?

Philo and runner: when you are prepared to subject your scriptures to critical scrutiny or provide evidence to back up your remarks then perhaps you'll be in a position to be taken seriously.