<< I don’t believe in gratuitous insults or in hurting people without reason.>>
LOL!
So what was reason for saying that most Muslims abuse children? Or does this suggest you owe an apology?

..and steve, nor did you respect my right to speak and express an opinion when you targeted me for no other reason than i was a Muslim with questions completely off topic (eg. Victorian laws). Whhen i ignored the question (because it was off topic) you harangued me saying i supported a dictatorship and when i answered with as honest an answer i could give you questioned my honesty (in other words you didn't get the answer you wanted).

These were deliberate and calculated and demonstrate that your statement that you are "not inclined to take your statements at face value" has nothing to do with anything i have recently said but because of my religion. In other words you have a deep seated prejudice. To attribute your behaviour to anything else is grossly disingenuous (a favourite word on these forums).

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Grateful,

You allege I wrote “...most Muslims abuse children?”

You suggest I owe an apology for making such a statement.

Please quote my PRECISE WORDS and POST A LINK along with the time and date of the post containing the offending statement. I shall review what I ACTUALLY wrote and decide whether any apologies are appropriate.

Grateful, to those of us that live in the real world, your lack of balance and dishonesty about Islam and its teachings is insulting. You push an Islamic agenda as if not indulging in alcholic beverages was the only import thing in life. It is even more insulting that you waste time trying to "prove" that the Quran is some sort of coded scientific text when there are matters of hate, pain, violence and suffering that could be more profitably addressed.

Are you aware of the vile things that are said in the Quran about non-Muslims? Do you think we are lower than animals? Tell me, Grateful, do you know how Muslims treat non-Muslims everywhere they dominate?Wouldn't ending Muslim hate and discrimination against non-Muslims be a more fruitful discussion that pseudo-miracles that you so-much want to believe in? These two questions would cause any sane, moral person to pause before he attempts to enlighten the unholy masses about the so-called scientific wonders of an 8th century illiterate war lord.

Rather than waste time on the "miracles" of 32:5 and 70:4, why don't you just explain verse 9:111 to us stupid infidels. Tell us exactly that Allah is saying to his faithful.

G'day. Kactuz

PS: By the way, don't forget that in paradise Muslims will get to booze it up - well that what the Quran says.

Oh yes, Grateful, it IS because you are Muslim AND because of what you say.

Do you not think we don't know how Muslims treat women - errr - your sisters? You call then "sisters" but treat them like like second class citizens. Do you think that use of a simple word makes up for forced veilings, forced marriages, honour killings, acid-throwing, sexual abuse, legal restrictions, and so on? What kind of people are you?

As you say, a scientic approach would be to rely on reason and evidence. It also requires that facts and rules be applied equally. Muslims, it seems, demand high standards and tolerance from others, yet do not themselves lift a finger in this respect. You want us to respect your right to say stupid things, yet any question about the Quran or Mohammed is met with utmost violence. Islam is a one-way street. It gets worse, if you had actually read the hadith (I assume you haven't), I could certainly ask why you think Mohammad to be a great moral example, given the stories in the traditions. In fact, why should any non-Muslim believe or trust any Muslim given those stories, written by Muslims - not just any Muslim but friends and followers of your dear prophet?

This isn't mockery and derision, but important questions that Muslims need to consider - but I won't hold my breath. So when you Muslims have solved the "how to treat others" problem or even the "how to treat women" issue, then feel free to enlighten us on relativity and quantum physics