Philo,

You stated that Islam has a corrupt understanding of God.

In the Aqueeda al-Tahawi (Imaan al-Tahwah lived from 843 or 853 to 935 ) the fundamental creed is laid out. It begins on page 5 (http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/aqeedahNotes.pdf)

There is also a video on youtube discussing the creed of Imam al-Tahwah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlZeb_tdnY) and the background: how the need arose for a clear articulation of the fundamentals of Islam belief when Muslims engaged Jews and Christians in discourse.

Which part of this creed would you consider represents a corrupt understanding of God?

I got lost looking for the reference to grateful's sister. I was ready to step up in defence of grateful until I finally found it. When I did, I was horrified. I was ready to defend the practice of claiming kinship when none actually exists - many aboriginal kids I have worked with have laid claims to "cousins" who, in reality, have no blood connection at all. What grateful did, and what impact it had, is a whole different kettle of fish. I am aghast.

let/ye without sin not cast the first stone
i was once in the union
there we are all brothers

i was once talking with alp/member
he addressed me as brother

i once met a commie
he addressed me as brother

tell/me...brother steven
are the facts...grateful...pinted out[re his sister..incorrect?

there are many/that quote...out of context
eh steven

lets recall that you did
here

miss-quoted..[it seems part of your attack stradgedy]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10496#182382

we could go into the deaths of the 6 million
but as pointed out...of the deaths in bukenwald/prison camp..only one third were jew...lets not mentioon the bolchovics murder of 25 million xtians

oh what a wicked deciet those with adgendas/weave

that warsore ghetto...in palistein
where children/get cluster biombed.
and get white sulpher/burns
via us munitions

lets try to be nice

as jesus said
let ye without sin
not cast the first stone

recall he wrote in the dust...and they walked away..in shame
recall the words..he wrote?

'thou/shalt not murder'

this teaching..is worth recalling to any beast/animal
who dares throw stones..at others [equally gifted/to live..by god

[or those/people who insists..in stonning people..to death,..
even in this/day...in this age

none/of the..abrahamic-tribes..seem to get it

im sure its due/to the pain..of circumsision
triggering-off..genetical changes

[studies have revealed
early childhood traumas...warps the developing-mind]

seems research confirms...early-violence
triggers/later violence

stop abusing children..both of ya

ya think god...made boy-babies wrong?

the covenant was ended
when the masacre of those..recovering from the/rite
[were brutally murded...

when they/took..the circumsision...simply for love
in good-faith

on that day..ye ended the covenant
made the rite...a blasphemy

as jesus reveals
by their deeds/works..shall ye know them
well were seing..what your doing in/the one-gods..holy city

grateful,
God is spirit omnipresent and not a spatial being in a spatial heaven with many virgins waiting to welcome muslim martyrs.

Otokonoko,
let me repeat waht i said to Pericles
<<Pericles,

Let me be explicit. Using the term 'sister' personalises it and people should feel hurt when they see someone murdered as a direct result of someone expressing the same sentiments that Steve and others engage in. The person who stabbed the lady was doing so because of only one reason: she wore a hijab and in doing so, before and during the murder, he was expressing the same sentiments as steve. Why personalise it? I consider the hate-speak that you are defending and the steve insists is his right to propagate as increasing the threat to my family. Do i need to be any more explicit and list the females in my family who wear the hijab?

anyone, you've had your say. If you are interested in the topic please i'd be interested in your views.Posted by grateful, Thursday, 7 October 2010 1:07:53 PM>>

You probably do not realise the constant hate-speak that i have had to endure from stevenlmeyer just because i am a Muslim, including having my friends and myself ("most Muslims") being labelled child-abusers. No-one rebuked stevenlmeyer let alone demanded he apologise...not even Pericles.

Like i said stevenlmeyer shares the same sentiments as those expressed by the murderer. His words foster hate and demonises all Muslims and this threatens the security and rights for myself, my family and all Muslims. If anyone should be apologising it should be Stevenlmeyer and if anyone doubts my ability to admit when i'm wrong and apologise unreservedly they can consult David F.

much/is made of the messengers
while completly ignoring..the authority of the mess-age

the torah...and its translation[in part]..the bible
state's..6 days..of creation

as revealed in the above..suras
a day..in/spirit...equates..vairiable/measure in man-years

well..man has found..creation of day one/
must equate to millions..[of man-years]

<<32:4..It is/Allah..>>
and others say..jehova..or el
BUT BOTH/creeds...had no vowels...in the language..of their/times

so lets read-it as
LLH...or jhv...or simply..L..
<<Who has created..the heavens/and the earth,>>>

note/here..god did not..create HeLL
mainly..as god/is..the light/heaven
and as..science/reveals...the opposing/of..light=dark/hell

[lets ignore/science..cant detect/dark-matter..[ie hell]

the place where/those...rejecting the/light..
must-need..dwell

[for energy...once/created..cannot-be destroyed]

so..'l'..or..'llh'...or..'jhv'..created heaven/earth..
<<..and all between..them,..in six Days..>>..by-spiritual/measure..'days'

now....all between them..is the..4 spheres
astral..and the other realms..of assention
[or the/fathers-many/rooms..as jesus..{jss}...revealed]

[but lets call him..emmanuEL..mmnL...]
[to wit..god..with-{in}-us..{all}]

<<and..{he}..is firmly established..on the/Throne>>

now revelations/reveals..gods-thone..to/be..our heart

<<..(of Authority):>...
so the/heart..{love}..carries..the highest/authority

thus..<<ye have/none,..besides Him,..
to protect or intercede..(for-you):>>

of course/jesus..or anyone-else could
but god needs no intercessor...!

yet..from our brothers/sisters...who yet hate/
the christ..[and the rest-of/us}..can most-assuredly..interceed

<<will ye..not/then..receive admonition?>>
this..cannot be/of god..[admobnishin]
thus gabriel...says..this


<<in the/end..will..(all/affairs)..go up..!
..to Him,..on a/Day,..>>>

the'day'..of reckoning/judgment/harvest..
in 48+,000..earth-years

<<the space-where-of..will-be....a thousand years..[of your reckoning]>>

32:6..Such is-He,/
the Knower-of..all things,..hidden..and open,>>
hath he/not declared..it/in good-time..[ahead-of/time]

<<the Exalted..(in power),..the Merciful;-

32:7 He Who/has..made everything..which/He-has..created..most good*:>>

re/'it'=[good]...
all good..comes from god...
love/light/logic/life}..good/god

<<He began..the creation-of/man..with..(nothing..more/than)..clay..>>>[science/says,,soup/..prime-evil-soup]...<<And made..his progeny>>>

note...'HIS/gods*"...progeny

thus he/is father
and all of us/living
BROTHERS/sisters

from the/ONE father/one life-source

he made..our brother/adam<</from a quintessence..of the/nature
of...a fluid despised:>>>

a fluid...repulsive..to those in/spirit
it may-be aether...or astral-dust..or seeman
[im told-it smells/of..seman]..i hear its..even used in/seance's/apperitions..[who-cares]

god/ALONE..makes no mistakes
<<32:9 But..He..fashioned/him..in due proportion>>

with/fore-skin*,

<<and breathed..into/him..something..of..His*{own}..spirit.>>

life..CAN-ONLY..come from life..!

thus gods/living-spirit..is passed from man/man...
via LIVING-sperm..[life/from-life]

[energy cannot/be..created...nor destroyed]

<<And He/gave-you..(the faculties/of)..hearing..and sight..and feeling..(and understanding)>>..

and logic/life/light..and reason/love/grace/mercy/wonder/joy/contentment/peace/freewill...plenty

gifted equally..for..all*..to share/equally*

[are/we not..joint mortal-heirs...
of..our immortal-father..equally?]

<<little thanks do/ye..give!.