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I know your busy BUT..how would you change the world?

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before moving on..lets say..that in many cases..the will..[to be one..
between..just two..is so strong..the wish is granted..

thus you/and i are their fruit..two/became..one
and behold we are..the fruit..of this love
[unless one,,came..in..by self love]

regardless..your/mine..being..is that which..is born...and in time dies...but..Man's spirit,..which is his..mind/nerve/lymph..systems....in*his astral-body...inside our material..body

spiritual/material/celestial..body,.
is in..its entire form..a*human..being.

A person..after death is just as much..a person as he was..in the world,
with this difference only,..that he has cast off the coverings that formed his..material/body..in the material-world.(Divine/Providence,.n.124)

All people,..as to the interiors..which belong..to their minds,[spiritual/celestial/material-minds..etc..

but essentially we are spirits,..clothed..in the world..with a material body,..which is subject-to..the command of the..spirit's..loves/hates/emotions..perceptions..thought..and the decision/based..of its affection.

For the mind,..which is spirit/celestia;/material,..acts its vairiable..uses,
and the body/material,..which is matter,..is acted upon..in its material expressions/life.

so for..Every spirit..[in its astral form..or its spiritual/celestial forms,..too,..after the rejection..of the material body,..thus is..a person similar..in form/fun-ction..as a person..in the world...(Apocalypse_Explained,n.1142)

Heaven*is within man,..and those..who have heaven within..them come into heaven.
just as tyhose who are in the love..of vile...sink into the darkness
Heaven..with man..is acknowledging the Divine..
and being led..by the Divine..[to the..more divine..avoiding the sub-lime...(Heaven..and Hell,n.319)

Hell and heaven..are near*to man,..yea,..in man.
Hell..[is made material manifestated]..in an evil loving-person,
and heaven..in a good person.

Everyone comes..after death..into that hell
or into that heaven..in which he has been{spiritually/materially}..while in the world.

But the state..is then changed;..the hell which was not perceived..
in the world..becomes oppresingly[persistantly..perversly..-perceptible,..
and the heaven..which was not perceived.in the world becomes amasingly..perceptible...(Arcana-Coelestia,..n...8918)

importantly..is that..*in our HEART..that we loved..
to do../..brought..INTO..this*..made..reality..in this material realm
that brings the surity of the promise,..MORE SHALL BE GIVEN..

A person..is wholly..such as*is..the ruling_principle..of his life.
By this..he is distinguished..from others.

According to this..is formed his heaven..{bodY]..if..he is good,
and his hell{form}..if he is..in love*of..evil.

It is his*veriest will,
and thus..the very*being..of his life,

which cannot be..changed after death...
BUT can be redeemed...
by a will/work....to do better..

THEN DOING BETTER....(Arcana/Coelestia,n.8858)
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 6:02:05 AM
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Dear Johan, today is Melbourne Cup day. I presume you live in Australia? Why don't you go out and accept the reality we live in. Live your life, try to enjoy every moment of it. Be thankful that you have been blessed with this life, and make the most of it while you can.
It is not that people do not care about you, it is what you choose to believe. You wrote somewhere I think that you have a wife? I am sure she cares plenty and so do others that know you. They just don't understand you, and in your mind, whatever has happened to you, you believe that others don't care.
I know you are very passionate about your writings and your beliefs. Our lives are what we make out of it. Our bodies are our machine controlled by our brain. Our brain creates the world we want to live in. We can always choose, no matter what others think about us. We can choose, to love live, to love others, to enjoy, to accept this reality we live in, or we can choose to keep fighting it.
It matters to you what has happened in your past. Use it as a lesson. Of course you will always be judged by others. That is how our reality is. We will for now, still be govern by all the laws and views set by others, so we have to be able to live within those boundaries, in order to be accepted by society.
I hope you get better. I hope I can help you. Take care. Enjoy your day :)
Posted by jinny, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 8:15:08 AM
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In the Lord's kingdom there are in*numerable/varieties..of good and truth,
but from them is constituted..one celestial-heaven...[plus a spiritual..and an astral..'heaven''..

[ditto...hell]..

The varieties are so numerous..{mine fathers house..has many rooms}..
that no [angelic] society..plane..is ever..exactly like another,..
that is,..in the same good*..and truth.

[or of the same love of vile,..
recall..vivisectionist..hell?..]

Oneness there..is constituted of many various things
so arranged by the Lord that they are ALL..concordant;

this concordance..or harmony..{of LIKE attracting..LIKE....accordance..
of many things..is given..by the Lord..in consequence of..their all..having
relation to Him...or according..as to the relations/loves..[uses]..THEY chose..and LIVED..(Arcana-Coelestia,n.3241)

There are..two things..which make hell,
as there..are two..which make heaven.

The two which make heaven..are good..and truth,
and the two..which make hell..are evil..and falsity.

Consequently..it is these two..in heaven..which make the happiness there;
and it is the two..in hell..which make..the torment there..(Arcana/Coelestia,n.8481)

Evil in..a person..is hell with_*in..him;..for whether/we say..evil or hell,..
it is the same thing...Now since man..is the cause*of his own*evil,..

therefore..he also..is led into hell..by*himself..and not..by..the Lord.

The Lord is..so far from leading..any person..into hell
that He delivers..him from hell,..insofar as a person..
does not*will..and love*..to be..in his own*evil.

All the will..and love'S..of man..
remain with him..after death.

He..who wills..and loves..evil..in the world,
wills and loves..the same evil..in the other life,
and then..he no longer suffers himself..to be withdrawn.from it.

Thence..it is that a person..who is in LOVE-OF..evil
is bound to hell,and is actually there..ALLREADY..as to his*spirit;

[AND THE..STILL/QUITE..INNER VOICES..
HE HEARS..AND INSPIRES..EXPRESSION TO...HERE/NOW]

and,..after death,..desires nothing more
than to..be there where..his evil..in-spiration..[influx]..is..and remains.

Consequently,.after death,..it is not..the Lord
who casts a person..into hell,..but the person..*himself...(Heaven..and Hell,n.547)

MORE..of..the*same..shall*be..given

The angels/..uses..[works..of good/love/service}....taken collectively..are called heaven,

for they..[their works..[uses]..constitute heaven;..and yet that which..*makes heaven..in general..
and in*..particular..is the Divine..loves/truths..logic/light/love/life..that goes forth..from the Lord..
and flows..into the angels..and is received by them...

who in-flux..{in-spire..in-spirate..meditate.}..'it'.in*to..this realm
where..'it'..is called...creativity/inventivness/thought/reason/curisity/voices..for good..OR vile..

[depenant..on its fruits]

we are*..all..a work..in progress..
[process]..[spirit-isation]

in*..the end...its not..WHO..[is to..*credit/..*blame]
but who_CHOSE...to-be..done

...what..&.why?

you now..know...how..*
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 9:01:37 AM
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i gave...my..'wife..34..years..of me
the kids..26 years...[they left...me
i didnt abandon...them]

as for...a fixed..race..in melbourne..[mal-born]
with,..24...chances..of winner...with..20..losers?

for..a gold*-cup..[made from dead jewish..teeth]..
ripped out-of..their murded..mouths..by nasty/natzies...

no i cant buy into that
but your knindness..gives me heart..to go on

..on..with revealing
my life's..l-earnings

quote..

..as the Divine..[love etc]..that goes forth/..from..from the Lord
it_is..of the good of love..and the truth..of faith,..

the angels are angels..and...their loves[service]..are heaven..
in the measure..in which they..receive..and relay..good and truth..from the Lord...(Heaven and Hell,n.7)

Heavenly joy..itself,..such..as it..is../is*..in its essence,
cannot be..described,..because it is..in the in*most..of..the very-being/..life..of angels

and therefrom..in..every*thing..of their thought/works/words..and affection,
and..from this..*in*..every particular*..of their speech..and..act-ion.

It is..as if..the interiors were fully opened./.and unloosed to receive de-light
and blessedness,..which are distributed..to every least fiber..and thus through the whole.

Thus the perception and sensation..of this joy..
is so great..as to be beyond description,..for that which starts
from the inner-mosts..[desire/will]..flows..into every particular..[work/deed/fruit].. derived..from the in-mosts,..propagating itself..away with..increase towards..the exteriors...[of like mind]..(Heaven..and Hell,n.409)


The Divine..flow*..of life

All life..ceaselessly flows*..from..the Divine*Source,

[good/love/truth/grace/mercy[god]
[via celestial/spiritual/astral..into..material
maintaining..the outer..physical universe..and inner spiritual levels..in existence.

If this were to cease..for a moment,..everything would perish.

This flow of*life-..is-in/of..itself perfect and good-
-is maintained*equally..with both good and evil people;

the former channeling*it..in its purity,..into form..[uses]
and the latter..distorting*it..for..their own evil ends...[users]


People are recipients..of life

The appearance--and persuasion--of our senses
is that..we have life..from with*in..ourselves.

This is an essential law of a loving Divine Creation,
which gives life and freedom.

The appearance*we live in..provides..the basis*..for our spiritual
freedom to..acknowledge*..or deny*..the Divine.

The truth,..which the spiritual/person..increasingly comes to know,
is that we receive..all*..things..from*the Divine...[via good influx]..in-spiration..



A dynamic duality..exists in the trinity..of creation

The Divine Itself..is one,...yet..our finite..perception of
the Divine..requires..a sense of duality..to increase our understanding..of it.

As with..the heat..and light..of the sun.. which is from..one source,
but is distinguished..by us..into
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 10:03:26 AM
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continued..

two..distinct energies,..light..and heat

[note..also..the wave...particle..duality..of light...
or..the many spectrums..[levels/planes]..with-in..it

so..we perceive*..the Divine/nature..
as..being..both..Love..and Wisdom...[in truth/good]

The relationship..between the two..forms a dynamic,
since..they work..towards unity..to provide/sustain..life.

From this..come..the forms of dualism..in creation,
such as male and female,..symmetry,..etc.,

and..the internal/dualities..of good and truth,..
will..and understanding,..faith..and charity,..etc.,..
which are*..complementary..to one an-other.

The..essential*balance..in all..life..
is..a manifestation..of this*...



People..form..their*..own*sense..of reality*,..
which is thiers,..for all_eternity..

[it's..the point..from which..we begin..our*..next..life*

There are many..levels..of awareness..that have the..potential..[potent-in-all]
to become..consciously*..opened up..with*in..the developing..human soul...via..its material form..our physical..'self'

As we..turn towards..the Divine_Source,..higher/levels..
of conscious*..awareness..become opened..and form*s..our sense of..what..*is..real.

Our eventual..chosen level..becomes permanent..and forms..our final view..of..{this}..reality..before re-birthing..into this next..real-ity..within which..further oppertuinities..into..higher..aware*ness..takes place.

Divine_life..is one,..
but..is perceived..in discrete*degrees

The..concept of.."discrete"..degrees..is central..to New/inner-Church..theology,..and concerns..the variations..within*..spiritual life..and development...to the celestial

It is impossible..[materially]..to progress..gradually..from one level..to another,..as with..continuous degrees of..increasing light,..heat,..and height.

A..discrete degree..involves..*a shift..from one level..to another:
for example,..from knowledge..to wisdom,..and from wisdom..to love.

Yet,..in spite of..being distinct,..higher degrees are..within
corresponding..lower ones.. as their*..source...[root]

All spiritual..forms..[realisation's..]..are manifested
in..discrete degrees...subtle..[sub-till..]

A..truth-good..inversion...is..the pattern.of..spiritual growth

All spiritual development..is of..a discrete..and cyclic nature.

Initially,..a person's perception..of spiritual life..seeks to acquire..a knowledge..or understanding..of what is true,
which is seen..as the goal....realises its fruit...[into act]

But..the second stage..of the cycle of regeneration..brings about
an abrupt..and discrete..change of emphasis,..in which truth,,,is now seen,

this leads..leads the*..will..of a person
to seek expression..[deed/act]..in something good..useful,..and living..[eternal].

Thus,..there/
is..an inversion.



Negative-states..are inevitably..part/of..spiritual-life

The pattern..of spiritual/life..can be expressed..in the form of
a sine-wave..or undulation..of.."highs"..and.."lows."

This is due to..a necessary period..of loss of vision..
[re-visioning]..or.."temptation"..(defined..in Swedenborg's theological writings
as..an.."attack..on what..we love")..during..spiritual growth...

[also refered/to..as a night of..the dark-soul...
[like jesus being..tempted..by the demon...

or like..the visit..[previously/recorded[here]..into hell's]..temptations

When we receive..a new level..of insight..or motivation..from the Divine,
this..*needs to*be..made.."ours"..by first appearing to*be taken..from us.

This leads us..to choose..at depth whether..we genuinely wish to
rediscover..the initial vision,*..and..

*the work..of setting ourselves..
to this goal..!..is the major part of..regeneration.

This pattern..is a continuing one..!..in spiritual development,
even eternal,..although angels do not experience..
the same*..degree..of.."swings,"..

having..established..a truer..relationship
with..the Divine.

[ok..lets ignore...lol
satans..fall...lol]

or..doudting-thomas
or..judas..betrayal

only..you..?
are..perfect...lol

let ye..without sin..not cast..any stone's
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 11:40:03 AM
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Linking with..the higher self

The Divine..lives within each person,
but much of Its activity..lies beyond human comprehension,
or beyond..our ability..to harm or interfere with Its purpose..of salvation.

Yet people..who are developing spiritually..tend to come into
an awareness of their own.."higher"..self,..from which spring's..perception,
conscience,..commitment,..will to do..[better]..and purposed-motivation,..and general positivity.

This higher self,..contrasted with ordinary..baser/human responses
{based on fear/need etc,..which are..of a lower kind,which..in our own
time..leads...us all..event-ually..to..an experience..of the Divine within us.

The Divine..seeks to reveal..Itself

The Divine seeks..to make Itself..known to what It has..*created.
It does this..in part..*through the order of..the created world,
which expresses..and mirrors..spiritual causes and, ultimately,
the nature of..the Divine Itself.

In Swedenborg's theological writings,
this relationship is described as "correspondence."

The Divine also manifests Itself through personal revelation,
which can take..the form*..of internal images..or insights experienced,
for example,..during meditation,..or collectively..in mythological themes and figures;

or,..most powerfully,..through a revealed Scripture,..such as the Bible,.Qur'an,
or Bhagavad Gita,..in*..which Divine truths..find precise..and poetic expression,

accommodated to..particular types..and levels..of human reception,
as a fixed revelation..to mankind.

The outer..and inner worlds..are*..in correspondence..

The natural-world..in which we now live..is created by*..the Divine,
and therefore mirrors..and contains the spiritua.. within it through.."correspondence."

This truth has been succinctly/stated..in the ancient saying,
"As above,..so below."..It is a living relationship..in which natural forms
are symbols..and images..of our spiritual_life.

Correspondences are universally expressed..in sacred scriptures,..dreams,..myths,.and nature*...[the higher form..of nurture]



Universality..and diversity
are expressions of..Divine life

The Divine..seeks to express It*self..in innumerable..and varied ways.

It is never*identical,..but continually diverse.
[have you not your OWN-face..your OWN loves/hates/feelings/thoughts

This is..the pattern of..the kingdom of heaven,
also called..the Grand Man..in Swedenborg's theological writings,
in which...great*..diversity..brings increasing perfection..to its form..and usefulness.

In this world,..differences..often lead to..discord;
in heaven,..variety is perceived as.delightful..and enriching.

each facit...revealing..more of gods...infinite..*greatness
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 11:54:45 AM
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