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I know your busy BUT..how would you change the world?

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This truth,..or this..'good of truth'[fruit}.,..in
a person..makes him..to be..a church...(Arcana-Coelestia,..n.5826)

When..a person..perceives..delights..from an affection..[simultude]
for good..and truth,..he then..begins..to-be..a church.(Arcana-Coelestia,..n.3939)

A person..of the church..begins..to be..*a church
when..he..acts..from*charity..which is..the/essential_doctrine
of-faith...(Arcana-Coelestia,..n.916)

[If]..truth itself..[were]..received..as a principle,
and confirmed,..as for example/..that..love to the Lord
and charity..toward the neighbor..are*that on..which hangs..all..the Law,

and..of which..all..the prophets speak,..and that
they are..therefore..the*essentials of..all..doctrine..and worship...

one church..would arise..out of many,..no matter/how..greatly the doctrinal..and ritual-matters..that flowed*from..or..led*to it..might differ.

[Then]..all would*be..governed by..the Lord..as one man;
for they..would be..as..the members..of..one_body*..!,

which although..not..of similar form,
nor..of similar..function,

yet all..have..relation to*..one_heart,..on which depend..all..and*..each..in their several forms,
that are..everywhere..varied.

Then..would each-person..say,..in..whatever*doctrine
and in..whatever..outward..worship..he might be,

*This is my brother,..*I see..that he*worships..the Lord,..*and..is..a good man.

i see no fault...in*him...for he has good..[god/fruits]..with-in..
(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.2385)

*Divine..Revelation*

Without..a revelation..from the Divine,..man..cannot know*
anything..concerning..eternal_life,..nor*even..anything concerning*God,

and still less..concerning love*to,..and faith..in*Him;

for man..is born..{then bourne}..into mere ignorance,..and must
therefore learn*..everything..from worldly things,..from which..he must*form his..own..understanding...to..the..standing of good..with-in..(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n. 249)

That..from the most..ancient/times..there has/been..religion,
and that everywhere..the inhabitants..of the world..have/had..knowledge of*God,

[the good/living..loving light..sustaining..all*life..into living..
via logic..into truth..by grace/mercy..and use]

and..{we/thee/us/them..}..have known
something..about..a life after death,

yet..this surity..has^not originated..in*themselves..
or their..own*penetration,{through the veils..of..the other realms}..but from..[Divine revelation]..{from good..one to one..individually}...

{as each..was made ready*..to reveal..their reveal}...(Sacred/Scripture,..n.117)

[People say]..that..the Word..is..from God,..is divinely inspired,
and..is therefore holy;..and yet..hitherto-fore..no one has known..wherein.it is*..Divine.

For..in the letter..{the Word}..appears like..an ordinary book,
in a style..that is strange,..and neither..so sublime..nor so brilliant..as..secular literature..and the good-fruits..{inspired..about-it]..seems..to be.

For this reason..a person..who worships..nature as God,..or in preference/to*.God,..and who consequently thinks..from himself..and what is proper..to himself,..and*not..from heaven..from the Lord,..may easily..fall..into error..in respect to..the Word,

and into..contempt..OF..IT..
OR for..it'S REVEALiNGS,

and..while..reading it..may say..to himself,..
What is this?..What is that?

Can this be Divine?..Could God,..whose wisdom is infinite,..
speak in.this manner?

Wherein consists..its holiness,..and whence comes..its holiness,.except..from religious-feeling..and its..consequent persuasion..into good_deeds?..(Sacred/Scripture,.n.1)

ok..that was worth searching...out
http://www.e-swedenborg.com/writings/static/d10409/1.htm

origonal?..quote..

may easily..fall..into error..respecting the Word..and..into contempt..for it,..and say..within himself..as..he reads it,..What..does this mean?..What does that mean?

Is this Divine?..Can God,..to whom belongs infinite_wisdom,..speak in this way?..Where is..its sanctity,..

or whence..derived..but..from man's..religious/credulity?

[*..The prepositions..ex and a,..both..translated as.."from",
are here used..in contrast,..a..indicating the responsible/agent
or originating source,..and ex..an instrumental agent,..
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or intermediary,..contributing to..the performance of an action,..
but not*..of..itself the source.]

[*..The Latin word..proprium means.."what is one's own".
Swedenborg uses..it in a..special_sense..involving..
"what is..of..the self".]

[its..worth..reading..the..next page]..
too long..to quote
http://www.e-swedenborg.com/writings/static/d10409/2.htm

thus..quote/page 3

The style..of the Word..is such that..there is holiness..
{intente}..in..every/sentence,..and..in..every word;..

indeed,..in some places,..in..the very letters;..and consequently
the Word..conjoins man..with the*Lord,..and opens heaven..
and the strength,..to serve..is attained.

There are..two things which..proceed..from the Lord,..
Divine Love..and..Divine Wisdom

or what is the same,..Divine Good..and Divine Truth;..
for Divine Good is...of*..His Divine_Love,..
and Divine-Truth..is*of..His Divine/Wisdom.

The Word..in its essence..*is both of these;..

and since it conjoins..man with..the Lord..and opens heaven,..
as has just been said,..therefore the Word..fills the man..who reads it..from*the Lord,..and..not..*from himself

alone,..with the good..of love*..and the truths/..of wisdom..of/like*..his will..with the good-s..of love/truth..mercy/passion..

and his understanding
with..the truths..of*wisdom;

thus..man..has*life..through*..the Word...
just as..his..flesh..has*..life..of good..[god]

Lest,..therefore,..men should be..in doubt..that the Word is*of..this nature,..the Lord has..revealed to me..its internal/sense...

This..in..its essence..is spiritual,..
and resides*..in..the..external/sense..

which..is natural,..as..the*soul..lives..{*in..the body]...
[just as..the spirit..resides in..the soul..[body]

just as..life_force..resides..in*spirit...
and..good..in works..words..in writting/...
logic..in the mind/..god..with-in..*you]

This internal..sense..is the spirit..which..gives*life..to the Letter;..and..it can therefore..bear witness..to the*divinity..and holiness..of the Word,..and..it..can*..convince..even..the natural man,*..

if he..is willing..to*be..convinced

In the Word..there is a spiritual sense,..hitherto unknown
The following points..will be ..explained..in this order:

1...What the..spiritual_sense is.
2...This sense..is*in..the..whole*of the Word,..
and in every..part of*it.

3...Because of..this*sense..
the Word is..Divinely inspired,..and holy..in every word.

4...This sense..has..hither-to/fore..been unknown...
[as..even/..the divided..body{house/home}..of christ..reveals]

5. Henceforth..it will be..made known..only to those
who are in*..genuine-truths..from the Lord.

WHAT..THE SPIRITUAL-SENSE..IS.

The spiritual_sense..is not..that..which shines forth..from..the sense of..the Letter..of the Word..when one..searches..the Word

and..explains it..to confirm..some dogma..of the Church:
this sense..is the literal/..sense..*of the Word.

The spiritual/sense,..however,..
does not appear..in the sense/of..the Letter:..
it is..within*it,..

as the soul..is/in*..the body,..
as the..thought..is*.in the eyes,
and..as affection..is in the countenance;..
and these act..together as..cause and effect.

It is..this sense*..especially..that..makes the Word spiritual,..not only for men..but also for angels;..and therefore..the Word by means of..this sense..communicates with the heavens

From the Lord..proceed..the Celestial,..the Spiritual..and the natural,..one after another...

What proceeds..from His*..Divine_Love..is called the Celestial,
and is..Divine Good;..what proceeds..^from..His Divine Wisdom..is called..the Spiritual,and is..Divine Truth...

The Natural..is..from both..and is
their complex..in..the ultimate..[or lowest]..degree

The angels..of..
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*the..Lord's-celestial..kingdom,..who constitute..the third..or highest heaven,..
are*in..that Divine..proceeding*..from..the Lord..

which..is called..the celestial,
for they..are*..in..the good..of love..from*the Lord.

The angels..of the Lord's..spiritual kingdom,
who constitute..the second..or middle heaven,
are in..that Divine..proceeding..from the Lord..

which..is called..the spiritual,

for they are..in the truths..of wisdom..from the Lord.

Men..of..the Church..is the world,..how*ever,..
we are in..the Divine..natural,..which..also proceeds..from the Lord...

From this..it follows that..the Divine..
proceeding..from..the Lord..to its ultimates,..
descends..through..three degrees,

and is termed..Celestial,..Spiritual..and Natural

The Divine..which descends..from the Lord.*.to men
comes down..through these..three degrees;..and when..it has descended,..it contains these..three degrees*..in*itself.

Such is the nature..of every-thing..Divine;..therefore when..it is
in its..ultimate degree,..it is..*in its fulness...This is..the nature of the Word.

In its ultimate sense..it is natural,..
in its interior sense..it is..spiritual,..and
in its inner-most sense..it is celestial;..and in each...it is Divine.

That the Word..is..of this nature..is not apparent..in the sense of..its Letter,..as this..is natural;..because man..*when in the world..has hitherto..not..known..anything..concerning the heavens;..and

consequently has..not known..
what the spiritual..is,..and what..the celestial;
thus he has*not..known the difference..
between these..and the natural.

*Author's Note...The heavens consist..of two Kingdoms,..
one of which..is called the celestial kingdom,..

and the other..the spiritual kingdom.
This may be seen..in the work..on HEAVEN AND HELL..Nos..20-28.

The difference..between these degrees..{of sepperation}..cannot be known..unless by..a knowledge of..correspondence...

For these three degrees..are quite..distinct..from each other,..like end,..cause..and effect,..or like..

what is prior,..posterior..and postreme..[or last],

yet..they make one..by*correspondences,..
for the natural..corresponds..to the spiritual,..
and also..to..the celestial.

What correspondence..is..may be seen..in the work
on HEAVEN AND HELL..where it..treats of,..The Correspondence..
of..all things..in heaven..with all things..in man,..Nos. 87-102;..

and,..The Correspondence..[of all things]
in heaven..with all things..on earth,..Nos...103-115.

It will also..be further seen..
from examples..quoted below..{from the Word}

Since the Word..interiorly..is spiritual..and celestial,
it is therefore..written by means of..pure correspondences;

and what is thus written..is in its ultimate sense..
written in..such a style..as is seen..in the Prophets and Evangelists..

which,..although it appears ordinary,..yet has stored up within it..Divine Wisdom and..all angelic wisdom

ok..it continues..here
http://www.e-swedenborg.com/writings/static/d10409/9.htm

THE SPIRITUAL-SENSE..IS..IN THE WHOLE*OF..THE WORD,
AND..IN EVERY_PART..OF*..IT..[continues..at link]

back/to..other quote..

By means..of the Word..those also..have light..
who are..outside..the Church,..and do/not..thus..possess..the Word..There-by..cannot be..*conjunction..with heaven..

unless..there exists..some*where..on the earth..a..Church*..in possession of..the Word..{works}...uses..by means..of which..the Lord..is known;
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for the Lord..is the God..of heaven..and earth,..
and without..Him..there is..no salvation.

it is enough..that..there..is a*Church..in possession of..the Word,{works/love..etc}....by means..of the Word..the Lord..is present...throughout..the whole world,..

for it is..the means..by which conjunction..
is effected..between heaven..and the human race.

Conjunction..is..by*means..of the Word,

The Word..is Divine..chiefly in this respect,..that all things in it,
both in general..and in particular,..do*not..regard..one nation..or one people,*but..the universal human*race;..namely,..that..which is,..which has been,/..and which will be;

and also..that which*is..still more universal,
namely,..the Lord's kingdom..in the heavens;
and..in the supreme sense,..the Lord Himself.

It is..for this*..reason..that the Word..is Divine.
(Arcana Coelestia,.n.3305)

Anyone..who does*not..know..that there is..a certain spiritual_sense
contained..in the Word,..like a soul..*in its body,..is obliged to judge of it..from..the sense of..*its letter;..

when yet..this sense..is like..an envelope...enclosing precious things,..{soul>spirit}..which are..its spiritual sense.

Therefore..when this internal-sense..is unknown
the Divine holiness..of the Word..can be estimated..only as
when a precious stone..is estimated..from the matrix enclosing it,

which often...appears like..an ordinary rock...

The same..is true..of the Word..
in respect to..the sense of its..letter...
The internal/sense..in..its essence..is spiritual,

and is within..the external sense,..
which is natural,..as the soul..is..in the body.

That sense..is the spirit..that gives life..to the letter;

consequently..that sense..can bear witness to..the Divinity
and holiness..of the Word,..and convince..even the natural man,

if*..he is willing..to-be convinced...
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.192)

Many things..in the Word..are said according to appearances,
and..indeed according to..the fallacies of the senses,..as like/that
as..the Lord is said into angry,..that He punishes,..curses,..kills,..and many
other such things;..

when yet..in the internal*sense..they mean..quite the contrary*,
namely,..that the Lord..is..in no*wise..angry and punishes,
still*less..does..He curse and kill...(Arcana Coelestia,.n.1408)


The..Spiritual Life

That it is not so difficult..to live the life of heaven..as is believed..can be seen..from this,..that..

when anything presents itself..to a person..which he knows..to be insincere..and unjust,..and to which his..mind..is inclined,..

it is only necessary..for him..to think that..it must..not*be done..

because..it is..contrary to..the Divine precepts...
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and yes..MANY allready..have*this..GOOD..instinctivly
thus..earn their place...in the light..regardless

but there..will need to learn...of the higher/precepts..to progress higher

If..he accustoms himself..so to think,..and..from this acquires
a good...mercyfull...use/habit,..then he is*..gradually conjoined..to heaven,..and so far as..he is conjoined..to good..thus god..thus..to heaven,..

the higher..regions of his mind..are opened.

So far as..these are*..opened,..he sees what is insincere..and unjust,..and so far as these..are seen,..so far..can they be dissipated,

for no evil..can be dissipated..until it is seen...
and attempted..to be corrected..of love/truth
(Heaven..and Hell,..n.533)

The Lord's yoke..is easy..and his burden light..because a person
is..led by the Lord..and not*by..self

to the extent..that he resists..the..love..of evils..that flow forth..from..the love of self..and of the/material..temptations..of this world;

also..because the Lord..then resists those evils
in..the person..and removes..the loves/temptations...in them.
(Heaven..and Hell,..n.359)

There are some..who believe..that to live..the life that leads
to heaven,..which is called..the spiritual life,..is too..difficult,
because they have heard..that a person..must renounce the world,
must divest himself..of the lusts..called the lusts..of the body..and the flesh,

and must..live spiritually...They understand this..to mean..that they must..discard worldly things..which consist chiefly..in riches..and honors;..that..they must..walk continually in pious..meditation concerning God.. salvation,..and eternal life;..and must spend their life in prayers..and in reading the Word..and pious books.

Such is..their idea of..renouncing the world,..and living..in the spirit..and not..in the flesh....Those who renounce..the world and live..in the spirit..*in this*manner..

acquire..a sorrowful*life..
that is*not receptive..of heavenly joy;

for everyone's..life/loves/nature..remains*with*..him...

But to receive..the life..of heaven..a person must wholly..live
*in the world..and engage..in lifes..business..and employments,..and then*,

by means..of a moral..and civil life..{lived}..*there,
receive..the spiritual life...their loves..have earned

*In..no other way*..can..the spiritual life..be formed..in*a person,..
or his spirit*..prepared*for..heaven.
(Heaven..and Hell,..n.528)

Renouncing..the world..
means..loving God..and the neighbor.

God is loved..when a person*..lives according..to His precepts,
and the neighbor..is loved..when a person..performs uses..[good/works]...(Heavenly_Doctrine,..n.126)

Marriage/Love
The conjunction..of Divine good..and Divine truth..in the Lord
is the essential..marriage..from which is..the heavenly marriage,

which is..likewise..a marriage..of good..and truth;
and from..that is marriage..love...(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.3132)

True marriage/love..is from*the Lord..alone,..and exists..in those who are in..the conjunction of good..and truth..from the Lord...(Apocalypse-Explained,..n.983)

From creation ..here has been implanted..{in both sexes}..a faculty and..inclination,..whereby they are..able..and willing..to be conjoined..as into..a one...(Conjugial_Love,..n.157)

Since this conjunctiveness..was implanted*by creation,..and hence is perpetually within,..it follows..that..the*one..desires..and breathes conjunction..with..the other
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Love,..considered..in itself,..is nothing else..than..a desire..and thence..an effort..towards conjunction;.

and marriage-love..is an effort..
towards..a conjunction..into..a one.

For the male/human-being..and the female_human/being..have been so created..that out..of two..they may*become,..as it were,*one person, or..one*flesh;

and when..they become one,..then,..
taken together,..they are..a*person..in fullness;

but without..such a conjunction,..they are two,..and each of them is like..a divided..or half a person...(Conjugial/Love,.n.37)

Marriage love..is of such a nature..that each wishes..to be altogether..the other's,..and this reciprocally;

and when..this is realized*mutually..and reciprocally,
they are..in heavenly happiness.

Also,..the conjunction,,of minds..is of such*..a nature
that this mutuality..and reciprocality..are in*..everythin..of their life,

that is,..in everything..of their*..affection,
and..in*everything..of their thought...(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.2731)

Marriage love,..among its first aspirations,..looks to..a union*of wills,..and a consequent..freedom to do*.its pleasure.

Striving after pre-eminence,..or for control,..casts these two
out of..marriage;..for it sunders..and separates..the wills*into parties,..and transforms freedom..of*action..into servitude...(Conjugial/Love,..n.248)

Into marriage love..all *joys..and all*delights..from first/to last are gathered...All delights..of whatever_kind..that are felt mutually..by human-beings..have relation..to their love.

By these delights..their love manifests..itself,..exists,.and lives.

Delights..are exalted..in the degree/that love..is exalted;
so..as marriage love..is the foundation..of all_good/loves,
and..as it..is inscribed upon..the very least..things of man,

it follows..that its delights..exceed the delights..of all other loves;..and also..that it imparts/delight..to all other loves..according to its presence

and,..at the same time,..its conjunction with them.

For it expands..the inmost things of the mind..and,..at the same time,..the inmost things..of the body,..as the delicious current of its fountain..flows through..and opens them...(Conjugial-Love,..n.68)

Marriage love..of one man/with..one wife..is called..the precious_treasure..of human life....

In..and from..this union..are the celestial beatitudes,
the spiritual satisfactions,..and from these..the natural delights,

which have_been..provided..from the beginning
for those..who are in..true marriage love.

It is the fundamental love..of all celestial.. spiritual,..and... natural loves...(Conjugial/Love,..n.457)

In its essence,..conjugial love is..nothing-else..than the willing of two..to*be..a one,..that is,..their*will..that the two lives..shall become*..one life...(Conjugial_Love,..n.215)

The Life..after Death*
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