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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 10:52:11 AM
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why..others arnt replying..isnt..for me..to guess
or presume...im presuming..no-one..is [regardless..i will never..know] [im..posting/this..more..just-in_case the-kids..want to know..their/fathers..destractions] <<I honestly..think..you/need..more-help.>> yep..me/too...lol <<There is..a lot of..sarcasm..when you..'laugh'.>> ..laugh-out-loud..lol? no..thats..when its..irony..[ironic]..[sic*] <<Reality=..who..on planet_earth..spends so-much..time/rambling{on}..about their..beliefs>>...lots of people do think about..the guy..who made his/own web-site..[your first link] a..WHOLE-website...[with a counter]..for*his..picture/poetry...? its just..what..some feel..they*chose..to be*doing, as..said..many times..im just recieving..the influx.. and chosing to follow..where*others lead... take your..questions..[for egsample] in replying/them...i recieved..in-spiration.. to expand..on..swedenburgs..info.. <<There are ppl..that..care about you.>> nope..your the only..one..jinny <<Do you spend..as much time..with talking..to them..in person?>> they heard..it all..before..<<That is my/reality.>> <<although..i do/not..personally know..you,..something..is*not right.>>..[with my head?...with my mind?..cause i put god..before the others..who left me..long-ago? clearly..i have a problem...you think drugs..will fix/that? turn me..into a zombi...sitting watching..my fish? be nice..and silent...get off..the net let others..continue..to discieve..others? thats a life? anyhow more..swedenbergs/quote http://www.theisticscience.org/swedenborg/philosophy.htm The origin of evil..is from the abuse of..the capacities proper to humanity..that are called*rationality..and*freedom. (Divine_Love..and..Wisdom,..n.264) How could evil..come into existence.. when..by creation..nothing but good*existed? If a thing..is..to exist,..it must have..an origin*{cause}... Good could*not be..the origin of evil*,..for evil..is the privation and destruction..of good..and therefore is/..its nullity...{antithesis} Yet,..since..it is..and is sensated,..{made into a sense-ability}.. it is..not/nothing..but*..something... Whence has this..something.. had its existence FROM..after,..being nothing? None is good..save God..alone,.. and there is..no goodness.. which in*itself..is goodness../save..good-from*God. Therefore,..he who looks to God..and wills to be led..by God.. is..in goodness; but he..who turns away/from God.. and wills..to be led..by himself..is not*in*goodness; for the good..which..he does..is done either..for the sake of..himself or for the sake of..the world*,.and so is..meritorious.. or simulated or..hypo-critical...dependant..upon..reasoning It is clear,.therefore,..that man himself..is the origin of evil; not that..this origin.;.was planted in man..from creation, but by..turning*away..from God..he*planted{created}..it..in himself. {he..made*..it..real} To eat of..that/tree..[of the knowledge..of good..and evil] signifies..to believe..that one..knows goodness..and evil and is wise..{from himself}..and not..from God. Man..was so created that..everything..which he*wills,.thinks,..and does appears..to*him..as if..in..of*..himself..and thus..from himself. Without..this appearance,..a person..would not be*human,..for he could not..receive,retain,..and,..as it were,..appropriate/to himself..anything of..goodness and truth..or of love..and wisdom. From this..it follows that..without this*appearance--a living appearance,.as it were-/-man would have..no conjunction..with God,..nor..any eternal life..there-from. But if..from..this appearance..he induces*..on himself the belief..that he wills,..thinks,..and..hence does*.. good..from himself....[not god} Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 11:24:02 AM
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ok..this loll..is at me
i wrote/wrong (im presuming..ono-one..is{..READING..any..of this} it..would/be..so...much easier.. "letting..him who..would-be..decieved..to remain..decieved" but..refuse..to share/guilt..inherant..as/their*..igno-rants continue quote..PRESUMING..good..from him*self..and not*..from..the*Lord,.. though..in all appearance..as-if..from*himself,.. he..then turns..goodness/..with-in..him..into evil,.. and thus..makes..in..*himself..the origin..of evil... [assumes..thus..a burden... much bigger..than..the ignorance..deserves] god..in his mercy..has grace..for all... [because..he refuses..to by/into..that very delusion] He..who looks..with..his face..to the Lord..receives wisdom..from Him,..and through*wisdom,..love;.. but he..who looks backwards*..away from..the Lord..receives love..and not..wisdom,.. and love..without wisdom is love..from man..and not/..from the Lord [but..man..judges men..harshly..god..judges NO-one] This..{mens}-love,..because it/..con-joins itself..with falsities,.. [results in..poor judgments} thus..does not acknowledge God.. but acknowledges..itself*..as God,.. and it tacitly..confirms..this acknowledgment.. by the faculty,..{implanted*in man}..from creation,.. of being wise*..as*if..from himself. This love,*..there-fore,..is the*origin of..evil... (Conjugial_Love,..n.444) Free_Will So long..as..a person..is..in this world he..is midway between evil and good, and is kept..in freedom..to turn himself.. to..either..the one..or the other; if he.turns..to*evil..he turns*away..from good; if he turns..to good..he turns..away..from evil. (Life..19) All freedom..is..of love,.. for what a person loves,..this he does freely, hence also..all freedom..is of the will,..for what a person loves, this he also wills;..and because love..and the will/make..the life of man,..so also..does freedom. (Heavenly_Doctrine,..n.141) Man's free_will..lies..in the fact/that he feels.. the life..in*himself..to be.his own. God leaves him..so..to feel.. in order that..con-junction..may be effected, which is..not possible..unless..it be reciprocal, and it becomes reciprocal.. when a person acts..from freedom..altogether..as if..from*himself. If God had*not left..this*to man..he would-not..be*.man, neither..would he..thus..have eternal*life. Reciprocal conjunction..with God..causes man..to be man and not..a beast,..and also causes him..to live..after death..to eternity... Free_will..in spiritual/things.. effects{achieves}..this. (True/Christian-Religion,..n.504) In order that..he may-be reformed, a person..has freedom to..think evil..and falsity, and also..to act..accordingly..so far as..the laws..do not restrain him; for goods..and truths*..must*be rooted..in his..love*and will*, so/that..they*may become..realised..of{via}..his life. This cannot be done./.unless he has..the freedom of thinking..evil..and falsity..as well as*..good..and truth. {learns..to sort..the tares..from the wheat... goats/from sheep}..HIMSELF.. (Heavenly Doctrine,..n.143) That alone..from which man*..is man,..and by which he is conjoined*..with..the Lord,..is that he can*do good and believe*truth..as_if*..from himself,..that is..as_if..from his own/will according to..his..own*judgment. If..this single/thing..were taken_away..from him, all conjunction..of man..with the Lord,..and of the Lord..with man, would also..be taken*away..at..the same time.. For this..is the..reciprocal..of love, which the Lord gives..to every*one..who is born..a human_being, and..which..he also preserves..in*him even..to the end..of his mortal-life,..and afterwards..into eternity...(Apocalypse/Revealed,..n.541) Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 1:39:20 PM
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There is..hellish*freedom..and heavenly-freedom.
To think..and will..evil..and,..to speak.. and..to do it,..is..from hellish/freedom... Whatever a person thinks,..wills,..speaks,..and does.. from*..freedom,..he perceives..as..his*own;.. for all..freedom..with*,,everyone..is/from..his love. Therefore..they..who are..in the love..of evil.. perceive..only that..hellish/freedom..is freedom..itself,.. and they..who*are..in the love of good.. perceive..that heavenly freedom..is freedom..itself..(Divine/Providence,.n.43) Man..never*comes..into..a state of..[genuine]-freedom until..he has/been regenerated,..{rebirthed..into his..soul/body].. and is led..by..the Lord..through love.. for/..that*..is good..and true. When..he is..in this..state..then.. for..the first-time..can he know..and perceive what freedom..{really]-is,..because he then..knows*..what life is, and thus..what the..true*delight..of life is,.. and..what happiness is. Before this..he does not even know..what..true-good..is, sometimes calling..that..the greatest good..* that..[which is..the greatest evil]. (Arcana_Coelestia,..n.892) It is a law..of order..{highest-order]..that so far..as..a person approaches..and draws near..to God,..*doing so..entirely..as-IF*..of himself,.. only..so far..does God..approach..and draw near.. to the person,..and conjoin Himself*..to him.. in his inner-most...(True/Christian-Religion,..n.89) Charity,..Faith,..and Use The first thing..of charity..is not to do evil*.. to the neighbor;.. to do good..Unto..him..occupies..the second/place. This is,..as it were,..the door to..the doctrine..of charity. (True/Christian-Religion,..n.435) The life..of charity..consists..in willing*well..and doing*well..[to thy neighbor],..in acting..in every*work..from justice..and equity,.. from good..and truth,and..in like*manner..in*..every*office... {ESPECIALLY GOVERNANCE/..law/mede-sin..education..beliefs} RECALL.. not/..to adulterate..GODS*love..with sham/..deciete}.. In..a word,..the life of charity..consists..in performing uses. {GOOD..BENIFICIENT..LOVING/..usefull..service]..(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.124) Charity is..therefore..an internal*affection [love,,inside..that begets..love outside] from which..a person wills*..to do good,.. and this..without* expectation..of..remuneration. The delight..of this life..consists in doing..it better..[this time/now]. With those..who do good..from an internal/affection.. there is charity..in everything..that they think..and say,.. and that..they*will..and do...(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.104 Moral_life,..when it..is also of..spiritual-good,.. is revealing..a life of charity,..because..the practices.. of a moral life..and of charity..are the*same. Charity..is willing..rightly towards/the neighbor, and consequently..acting*..rightly..towards him. This..is also..moral_life... (True/Christian-Religion,..n.444) Charity,..which..in its*essence..is the affection[choice/love/passion]..of knowing,./understanding,..willing,..and doing.. truth,..does*not come..into any perception of man.. until..it has formed*itself..in..the thought*,.. which is/from..the..understanding;...other... justly..as is understanding..the self It..then presents itself..under..some form.. or image..[mind visioning;..visualisation] by..which it appears..before..the..interior*sight..[minds-eye].., for..the thought..that a thing is so..in truth..is called faith. From this..it is clear..that charity..is actually prior[before] and faith posterior[after],..as good..is actually prior and truth..post-erior,.. or as that..which produces.. is essentially..prior..to the..'product'..[produced].... Charity..is from/the Lord,..and is*also formed..first.. in the..spiritual-mind...[influx..from heaven].. Because charity does*not..appear..to a person.. before..it becomes faith... it may be said..that faith..does not exist..with a person until..it becomes..charity..in form..{fact}.... They both..come into existence.. at the same*..moment Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 6:14:08 PM
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Although..charity..produces*faith,..yet..as..they make..one
neither*of them..in respect to..human_perception can exist..separate..from..the other.... Faith..when separated..from life/fact..is not alive, and what..is not alive...can save..no-one. (Apocalypse/Explained,..n.795-96) An idea..of the good..which is charity..and..the truth..which is faith..may*be..formed{realiseable}..from the light..[love]..and heat..of the sun...[good] When the light,..which proceeds..from the sun, is conjoined..to heat,..[truth/passion]..as/in..spring and summer, then all things..of the earth..germinate..and blossom; but..when there..is no/heat..in the light, as in winter,..then all things..of the earth..become torpid..and die. Spiritual_light..is the truth..of faith.. and spiritual_heat..is good..of love. (Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.114) Only..to believe..is not*faith,..but to will..and to do..*what..is believed*,.. this..is faith...(Last/Judgment,..n.36) The Lord's/kingdom..is a kingdom of ends..[works/fruits],.. which are uses,..or..what is..the same-thing,.. a kingdom..of uses..which are ends. For this reason..the universe..has been so created..and formed..by the Divine..that uses{good/works}..may be..everywhere.... In..the nature..{nurture}..of the world,..in its threefold kingdom, all things..exist..in accordance with..order..and form..of uses, or..effects..formed from use...for good-use.... In the case..of man,..so far as..he is in accordance with Divine order,..that is,..so far as/he is..in love..to the Lord..and in charity..towards..the neighbor,..so*far..are his acts..uses in form.... Through*these..he is conjoined..to heaven. To love..the Lord..and the neighbor means..in general..to perform {good-uses...good fruits] (Heaven_and_Hell,..n.112) Love and wisdom..without use..are not anything;.. they are only..ideal/..non-entities; nor do they..become real..until they are..in use. Love,..wisdom,..and use..are three things..which cannot*be separated; for if they are..separated,..neither of them..{alone]..is anything. Love is not anything..without wisdom,.. but..in wisdom..it is formed for something. This something..is use;.. wherefore..when love..by wisdom..*is in*use,.. then it..is something,..indeed it*..then..first exists. They are thus..precisely like..end,..cause,..and effect. (Apocalypse/Revealed,..n.875) Use..is the doing of good..from love..by means of wisdom. Use is..good..itself...(Conjugial/Love,..n.183) Wisdom,..Intelligence,..and the Mind From..[the Lord]..proceeds all/wisdom,.. through wisdom>intelligence, through intelligence>reason,. and so by means..of reason the knowledges..of the memory..are vivified. This is..the order..of life. (Arcana/Coelestia,..n.121) Let..no-one believe..that he*has wisdom because..he knows*..many things, OR..perceives them..in..some light, and..is able to talk..intelligently about*them, *unless..his wisdom..is conjoined to love*. It is love..that,..through its affections,..produces wisdom. Not conjoined..to love,.. wisdom is..like a meteor vanishing in the air and..like a falling star... Wisdom united..to love..is like..the abiding light of the sun..and..like..a fixed star. A person has..the love of wisdom..when he is averse...to the lusts..of evil.and falsity...(Divine/Providence,..n.35) The..state of wisdom..is when a person has*..no longer any concern..about..understanding truths..and goods, but more..about willing..and living them;.. for..in this is..to*be..wise. (Arcana/Coelestia,..n.10225) Posted by one under god, Monday, 1 November 2010 5:51:49 AM
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A person is..in enlightenment..when..he is*in
the*love..of truth....for the sake*..of..truth, and not..for the..sake of..self..and..the world. (Arcana/Coelestia,..n.9424) [good..summation's..here] http://www.theisticscience.org/swedenborg/Swedenbo.htm http://www.theisticscience.org/leon/theistic_science-psychology.html back/2..mine..quote/edit Man..possesses..a natural-mind..and a spiritual_mind. The natural-mind..is below,..[animal/beast/terrestial/self] and the spiritual..mind above.[celestial/love/compassion/service] The natural mind..is the mind..of..a person's..world, and..the spiritual/mind..is the mind..of..*his heavenly..influx. The natural/mind..may be called..the animal-mind,.. and..the spiritual..mind..the human-mind. A human being..is..discriminated..from an animal..by possessing..a spiritual-mind...By means of..this mind..he can*be ..in heaven..while still.in the world. It is..by means of..this mind..also.. that man lives..after*death...(Life 86) Love{eminating..from heaven,,can be..understood..only from its quality,[fruit]..and..its quality..is wisdom;..and its quality..or wisdom can only exist..from*..its*being,..which is of love;.. hence it is..that love..and wisdom..are one... (Divine/Providence,..n.13) Divine/Providence The Divine_providence..is universal,..that is,..in things..*most..minute; and those who are..in..the stream of providence..are borne continuously..toward happiness....whatever may*be..the appearance of..*the means, and those..are..in..the..stream of providence..who put their trust..in..the*Divine..and attribute..all things..to Him. (Arcana/Coelestia,..n.8478) Divine/providence differs..from all other..leading..and guidance..in this, that providence..continually regards..what is eternal and continually..leads unto salvation,..that good/truth..to all and..this/.through various states,..sometimes glad,..sometimes sad, which man..cannot..at all comprehend;..but..still they*..all..conduce..to*..his life eternal...(Arcana Coelestia,..n.8560) It is..the unceasing..effort of the Lord..in*His..Divine providence to conjoin man..to*Himself..and Himself..to*man. This conjunction..is what..is called reformation..and regeneration. By it..man has salvation...(Divine-Providence,..n.123) It is..the constant..aim of..Divine/providence to unite good to truth..and truth to good..in*..a person,..for so ..he*is..united..to the Lord.(Divine-Providence,..n.21) All things..are full*..of God, and everyone..takes his*portion..from that..[omnipresnt..fullness. (True/Christian-Religion,..n.364) The Lord's providence..is..in the minutest/things..of all, from the..first..[living]..thread..of man's life..even to the last, and afterwards..onto eternity...(Arcana/Coelestia,.n.5894) Religion..and the..Universal/Church..{body..of christ} The church..of the Lord..is scattered..all-over..the whole terrestrial globe,..and thus..is universal... All*they are..on it..&..who have*lived..in the good..of charity.. according..to their..re-ligious*belief...have uses..(Heaven..and Hell,..n.328) It is..the same..whether..you*..say..a spiritual person.. or..a spiritual/church;..for..a spiritual-person..is..*a church..{temporal-temple}..in particular and many..*are..the church..in*general. Unless..a person..individ*ually..were..a church, there could*..be.. no church..*in general. An assembly..in general..is what,..in common-language,..called a church;..but in order..that there may*be..any*church.. each one..in..that assembly..must be*..individually..a church..{refuge..safe/harbour..},..or..every..general.. involves..parts..like*itself...(Arcana Coelestia,..n.4292) the..church..in general..is constituted..of those who*are..churches..in particular,..however remote..from each*other..they may..be...(Arcana_Coelestia,..n.6637) The conjunction..of good..and truth makes..the church*..{individuals}...a good use.. (True/Christian-Religion,..n.398) By a person..of the church[body of christ]...is meant one..who is in..the good of charity,..and from that.. in truths..of faith[works]..from the Lord...(True/Christian-Religion,..n.249) By a person..of the church..is meant..a person*.. in..whom the church*is...(Divine/Love..and Wisdom,..n.118) Spiritual good..is the good*of truth,..that is, truth..in..the will..and..*in the act. Posted by one under god, Monday, 1 November 2010 8:35:32 AM
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lest God..{good}..should enter.
the lower_regions..of their*minds,
whereas the..good..prepare the way..and open the door,
and also invite..GOOD/God..to enter into..the lower_regions..of their minds,..
even as..He dwells..
..in its higher*regions.
Thus..the good/form..the state of..the will..for the influx*of love
and charity,..and the state of..the understanding..for the influx*of wisdom..and faith..consequently..{essential}..for the reception..of God.{good}..
(True-Christian/Religion,..n.366)
Good..continually flows in..from*..the Lord.
It is..the evil of*life..that hinders..its being received..in the truths..which are..with/man..in his memory..or..{hid..in}..knowledge.
Inso-far..as..a person recedes..from evil,..
so far..{and..no further}..good enters..and
applies..it-self..to his*..{good/gods]..truths.
Then the truth..of..faith/love..with*[in]..him..
becomes the..goodness..of faith.
A person may..indeed know*truth,..may also confess it*..under
the incitement..of some worldly-cause,..may even..be persuaded..that it is true.
Yet..*if..this truth..does not..live*..[has..no-fruits}
so long as,..he is in a..life..{love}..of evil/..or material.
Such a person..is like a tree..
on which..there are..leaves,..but no fruit.
His truth..is like..the light..in which there is..no heat,
such as there is..in the time of..winter..when nothing grows.
But..when*..there is heat in*it,..{passion..to serve the GOOD]
the light..then becomes such_as..there is..in the time of spring,..
when..all*things grow...(Arcana Coelestia,..n. 2388)
Each person has..for an end{goal;}..
that which he loves*..above all else;
he regards{sees}.. this..in each..and all things.
{be it love..of good..or love..of vile}
It is*..in his will*..like the hidden current..of a river,..which draws and bears..him along,..
even..when..he is doing*something else,..for it is..this*{flux]..which animates him...(Heavenly-Doctrine,..n.56)
The Origin..of Evil
Because..God..gave man freedom of/choice..in spiritual_things
He did/not*create evil,..neither does..He ever..inspire any evil*..into man,
for the reason that..He is goodness itself,..
and in that goodness..is omnipresent,continually urging..and importuning..to be received;..
and even when not received,..He does not withdraw;..
for if He were..to withdraw,..man would instantly die,
nay,..would lapse..into non-entity;..for man's life,
and the subsistence..of all things..of which he consists,..are from God.
God did*not..create evil,..
but evil was introduced..*..by man himself,*
since man..turns..the good..which is continually flowing in..from God into evil,..
whereby..he turns*himself..away from God..and toward himself;..
and when this is done,..delight..in goodness remains,..
but then*..becomes delight in evil;.for unless..a delight seemingly similar*..remained,..
man could/not..continue to live;..since
de-light..constitutes..the life*of..his love..
(True Christian_Religion,n.490