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I know your busy BUT..how would you change the world?

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difference/is..that the wicked..obstruct the way..and close the door,..

lest God..{good}..should enter.
the lower_regions..of their*minds,

whereas the..good..prepare the way..and open the door,
and also invite..GOOD/God..to enter into..the lower_regions..of their minds,..

even as..He dwells..
..in its higher*regions.

Thus..the good/form..the state of..the will..for the influx*of love
and charity,..and the state of..the understanding..for the influx*of wisdom..and faith..consequently..{essential}..for the reception..of God.{good}..
(True-Christian/Religion,..n.366)

Good..continually flows in..from*..the Lord.

It is..the evil of*life..that hinders..its being received..in the truths..which are..with/man..in his memory..or..{hid..in}..knowledge.

Inso-far..as..a person recedes..from evil,..
so far..{and..no further}..good enters..and
applies..it-self..to his*..{good/gods]..truths.

Then the truth..of..faith/love..with*[in]..him..
becomes the..goodness..of faith.

A person may..indeed know*truth,..may also confess it*..under
the incitement..of some worldly-cause,..may even..be persuaded..that it is true.

Yet..*if..this truth..does not..live*..[has..no-fruits}
so long as,..he is in a..life..{love}..of evil/..or material.
Such a person..is like a tree..
on which..there are..leaves,..but no fruit.

His truth..is like..the light..in which there is..no heat,
such as there is..in the time of..winter..when nothing grows.

But..when*..there is heat in*it,..{passion..to serve the GOOD]
the light..then becomes such_as..there is..in the time of spring,..
when..all*things grow...(Arcana Coelestia,..n. 2388)

Each person has..for an end{goal;}..
that which he loves*..above all else;
he regards{sees}.. this..in each..and all things.
{be it love..of good..or love..of vile}

It is*..in his will*..like the hidden current..of a river,..which draws and bears..him along,..
even..when..he is doing*something else,..for it is..this*{flux]..which animates him...(Heavenly-Doctrine,..n.56)



The Origin..of Evil

Because..God..gave man freedom of/choice..in spiritual_things
He did/not*create evil,..neither does..He ever..inspire any evil*..into man,

for the reason that..He is goodness itself,..
and in that goodness..is omnipresent,continually urging..and importuning..to be received;..

and even when not received,..He does not withdraw;..
for if He were..to withdraw,..man would instantly die,

nay,..would lapse..into non-entity;..for man's life,
and the subsistence..of all things..of which he consists,..are from God.

God did*not..create evil,..
but evil was introduced..*..by man himself,*

since man..turns..the good..which is continually flowing in..from God into evil,..
whereby..he turns*himself..away from God..and toward himself;..

and when this is done,..delight..in goodness remains,..

but then*..becomes delight in evil;.for unless..a delight seemingly similar*..remained,..
man could/not..continue to live;..since
de-light..constitutes..the life*of..his love..
(True Christian_Religion,n.490
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 10:52:11 AM
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why..others arnt replying..isnt..for me..to guess
or presume...im presuming..no-one..is

[regardless..i will never..know]

[im..posting/this..more..just-in_case
the-kids..want to know..their/fathers..destractions]

<<I honestly..think..you/need..more-help.>>
yep..me/too...lol

<<There is..a lot of..sarcasm..when you..'laugh'.>>
..laugh-out-loud..lol?

no..thats..when its..irony..[ironic]..[sic*]

<<Reality=..who..on planet_earth..spends so-much..time/rambling{on}..about their..beliefs>>...lots of people do

think about..the guy..who made his/own web-site..[your first link]

a..WHOLE-website...[with a counter]..for*his..picture/poetry...?

its just..what..some
feel..they*chose..to be*doing,

as..said..many times..im just recieving..the influx..
and chosing to follow..where*others lead...
take your..questions..[for egsample]

in replying/them...i recieved..in-spiration..
to expand..on..swedenburgs..info..

<<There are ppl..that..care about you.>>
nope..your the only..one..jinny

<<Do you spend..as much time..with talking..to them..in person?>>

they heard..it all..before..<<That is my/reality.>>

<<although..i do/not..personally know..you,..something..is*not right.>>..[with my head?...with my mind?..cause i put god..before the others..who left me..long-ago?

clearly..i have a problem...you think drugs..will fix/that?
turn me..into a zombi...sitting watching..my fish?

be nice..and silent...get off..the net
let others..continue..to discieve..others?

thats a life?

anyhow more..swedenbergs/quote
http://www.theisticscience.org/swedenborg/philosophy.htm

The origin of evil..is from the abuse of..the capacities
proper to humanity..that are called*rationality..and*freedom.
(Divine_Love..and..Wisdom,..n.264)

How could evil..come into existence..
when..by creation..nothing but good*existed?

If a thing..is..to exist,..it must have..an origin*{cause}...

Good could*not be..the origin of evil*,..for evil..is the privation
and destruction..of good..and therefore is/..its nullity...{antithesis}

Yet,..since..it is..and is sensated,..{made into a sense-ability}..
it is..not/nothing..but*..something...

Whence has this..something..
had its existence FROM..after,..being nothing?

None is good..save God..alone,..
and there is..no goodness..
which in*itself..is goodness../save..good-from*God.

Therefore,..he who looks to God..and wills to be led..by God..
is..in goodness;

but he..who turns away/from God..
and wills..to be led..by himself..is not*in*goodness;

for the good..which..he does..is done
either..for the sake of..himself

or for the sake of..the world*,.and so is..meritorious..
or simulated or..hypo-critical...dependant..upon..reasoning

It is clear,.therefore,..that man himself..is the origin of evil;

not that..this origin.;.was planted in man..from creation,
but by..turning*away..from God..he*planted{created}..it..in himself.

{he..made*..it..real}

To eat of..that/tree..[of the knowledge..of good..and evil]
signifies..to believe..that one..knows goodness..and evil
and is wise..{from himself}..and not..from God.

Man..was so created that..everything..which he*wills,.thinks,..and does appears..to*him..as if..in..of*..himself..and thus..from himself.

Without..this appearance,..a person..would not be*human,..for he could not..receive,retain,..and,..as it were,..appropriate/to himself..anything of..goodness and truth..or of love..and wisdom.

From this..it follows that..without this*appearance--a living appearance,.as it were-/-man would have..no conjunction..with God,..nor..any eternal life..there-from.

But if..from..this appearance..he induces*..on himself
the belief..that he wills,..thinks,..and..hence does*..
good..from himself....[not god}
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 11:24:02 AM
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ok..this loll..is at me
i wrote/wrong

(im presuming..ono-one..is{..READING..any..of this}

it..would/be..so...much easier..
"letting..him who..would-be..decieved..to remain..decieved"

but..refuse..to share/guilt..inherant..as/their*..igno-rants
continue

quote..PRESUMING..good..from him*self..and not*..from..the*Lord,..
though..in all appearance..as-if..from*himself,..

he..then turns..goodness/..with-in..him..into evil,..
and thus..makes..in..*himself..the origin..of evil...

[assumes..thus..a burden...
much bigger..than..the ignorance..deserves]

god..in his mercy..has grace..for all...
[because..he refuses..to by/into..that very delusion]

He..who looks..with..his face..to the Lord..receives wisdom..from Him,..and through*wisdom,..love;..

but he..who looks backwards*..away from..the Lord..receives love..and not..wisdom,..

and love..without wisdom
is love..from man..and not/..from the Lord

[but..man..judges men..harshly..god..judges NO-one]

This..{mens}-love,..because it/..con-joins itself..with falsities,..
[results in..poor judgments}

thus..does not acknowledge God..
but acknowledges..itself*..as God,..

and it tacitly..confirms..this acknowledgment..
by the faculty,..{implanted*in man}..from creation,..
of being wise*..as*if..from himself.

This love,*..there-fore,..is the*origin of..evil...
(Conjugial_Love,..n.444)



Free_Will

So long..as..a person..is..in this world
he..is midway between evil and good,
and is kept..in freedom..to turn himself..
to..either..the one..or the other;

if he.turns..to*evil..he turns*away..from good;
if he turns..to good..he turns..away..from evil.
(Life..19)

All freedom..is..of love,..
for what a person loves,..this he does freely,
hence also..all freedom..is of the will,..for what a person loves,
this he also wills;..and because love..and the will/make..the life of man,..so also..does freedom.

(Heavenly_Doctrine,..n.141)

Man's free_will..lies..in the fact/that he feels..
the life..in*himself..to be.his own.

God leaves him..so..to feel..
in order that..con-junction..may be effected,
which is..not possible..unless..it be reciprocal,

and it becomes reciprocal..
when a person acts..from freedom..altogether..as if..from*himself.

If God had*not left..this*to man..he would-not..be*.man,
neither..would he..thus..have eternal*life.

Reciprocal conjunction..with God..causes man..to be man
and not..a beast,..and also causes him..to live..after death..to eternity...

Free_will..in spiritual/things..
effects{achieves}..this.
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.504)

In order that..he may-be reformed,
a person..has freedom to..think evil..and falsity,
and also..to act..accordingly..so far as..the laws..do not restrain him;

for goods..and truths*..must*be rooted..in his..love*and will*,
so/that..they*may become..realised..of{via}..his life.

This cannot be done./.unless he has..the freedom of thinking..evil..and falsity..as well as*..good..and truth.

{learns..to sort..the tares..from the wheat...
goats/from sheep}..HIMSELF..
(Heavenly Doctrine,..n.143)

That alone..from which man*..is man,..and by which
he is conjoined*..with..the Lord,..is that he can*do good
and believe*truth..as_if*..from himself,..that is..as_if..from his own/will

according to..his..own*judgment.

If..this single/thing..were taken_away..from him,
all conjunction..of man..with the Lord,..and of the Lord..with man,
would also..be taken*away..at..the same time..

For this..is the..reciprocal..of love,

which the Lord gives..to every*one..who is born..a human_being,
and..which..he also preserves..in*him even..to the end..of his mortal-life,..and afterwards..into eternity...(Apocalypse/Revealed,..n.541)
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 1:39:20 PM
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There is..hellish*freedom..and heavenly-freedom.

To think..and will..evil..and,..to speak..
and..to do it,..is..from hellish/freedom...

Whatever a person thinks,..wills,..speaks,..and does..
from*..freedom,..he perceives..as..his*own;..

for all..freedom..with*,,everyone..is/from..his love.

Therefore..they..who are..in the love..of evil..
perceive..only that..hellish/freedom..is freedom..itself,..

and they..who*are..in the love of good..
perceive..that heavenly freedom..is freedom..itself..(Divine/Providence,.n.43)

Man..never*comes..into..a state of..[genuine]-freedom
until..he has/been regenerated,..{rebirthed..into his..soul/body]..

and is led..by..the Lord..through love..
for/..that*..is good..and true.

When..he is..in this..state..then..
for..the first-time..can he know..and perceive
what freedom..{really]-is,..because he then..knows*..what life is,

and thus..what the..true*delight..of life is,..
and..what happiness is.

Before this..he does not even know..what..true-good..is,
sometimes calling..that..the greatest good..*
that..[which is..the greatest evil].
(Arcana_Coelestia,..n.892)

It is a law..of order..{highest-order]..that
so far..as..a person approaches..and draws near..to God,..*doing so..entirely..as-IF*..of himself,..

only..so far..does God..approach..and draw near..
to the person,..and conjoin Himself*..to him..
in his inner-most...(True/Christian-Religion,..n.89)

Charity,..Faith,..and Use

The first thing..of charity..is not to do evil*..
to the neighbor;..

to do good..Unto..him..occupies..the second/place.

This is,..as it were,..the door to..the doctrine..of charity.
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.435)

The life..of charity..consists..in willing*well..and doing*well..[to thy neighbor],..in acting..in every*work..from justice..and equity,..

from good..and truth,and..in like*manner..in*..every*office...
{ESPECIALLY GOVERNANCE/..law/mede-sin..education..beliefs}
RECALL..
not/..to adulterate..GODS*love..with sham/..deciete}..

In..a word,..the life of charity..consists..in performing uses.
{GOOD..BENIFICIENT..LOVING/..usefull..service]..(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.124)

Charity is..therefore..an internal*affection
[love,,inside..that begets..love outside]
from which..a person wills*..to do good,..
and this..without* expectation..of..remuneration.

The delight..of this life..consists in doing..it better..[this time/now].

With those..who do good..from an internal/affection..
there is charity..in everything..that they think..and say,..
and that..they*will..and do...(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.104

Moral_life,..when it..is also of..spiritual-good,..
is revealing..a life of charity,..because..the practices..
of a moral life..and of charity..are the*same.

Charity..is willing..rightly towards/the neighbor,
and consequently..acting*..rightly..towards him.

This..is also..moral_life...
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.444)

Charity,..which..in its*essence..is the affection[choice/love/passion]..of knowing,./understanding,..willing,..and doing..

truth,..does*not come..into any perception of man..
until..it has formed*itself..in..the thought*,..

which is/from..the..understanding;...other...
justly..as is understanding..the self

It..then presents itself..under..some form..
or image..[mind visioning;..visualisation]
by..which it appears..before..the..interior*sight..[minds-eye]..,

for..the thought..that a thing is so..in truth..is called faith.

From this..it is clear..that charity..is actually prior[before]
and faith posterior[after],..as good..is actually prior
and truth..post-erior,..

or as that..which produces..
is essentially..prior..to the..'product'..[produced]....

Charity..is from/the Lord,..and is*also formed..first..
in the..spiritual-mind...[influx..from heaven]..
Because charity does*not..appear..to a person..
before..it becomes faith...

it may be said..that faith..does not exist..with a person
until..it becomes..charity..in form..{fact}....

They both..come into existence..
at the same*..moment
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 31 October 2010 6:14:08 PM
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Although..charity..produces*faith,..yet..as..they make..one
neither*of them..in respect to..human_perception
can exist..separate..from..the other....

Faith..when separated..from life/fact..is not alive,
and what..is not alive...can save..no-one.
(Apocalypse/Explained,..n.795-96)

An idea..of the good..which is charity..and..the truth..which is faith..may*be..formed{realiseable}..from the light..[love]..and heat..of the sun...[good]

When the light,..which proceeds..from the sun,
is conjoined..to heat,..[truth/passion]..as/in..spring and summer,
then all things..of the earth..germinate..and blossom;

but..when there..is no/heat..in the light,
as in winter,..then all things..of the earth..become torpid..and die.

Spiritual_light..is the truth..of faith..
and spiritual_heat..is good..of love.
(Heavenly/Doctrine,..n.114)

Only..to believe..is not*faith,..but
to will..and to do..*what..is believed*,..
this..is faith...(Last/Judgment,..n.36)

The Lord's/kingdom..is a kingdom of ends..[works/fruits],..
which are uses,..or..what is..the same-thing,..
a kingdom..of uses..which are ends.

For this reason..the universe..has been so created..and formed..by the Divine..that uses{good/works}..may be..everywhere....

In..the nature..{nurture}..of the world,..in its threefold kingdom,
all things..exist..in accordance with..order..and form..of uses,
or..effects..formed from use...for good-use....

In the case..of man,..so far as..he is in accordance with Divine order,..that is,..so far as/he is..in love..to the Lord..and in charity..towards..the neighbor,..so*far..are his acts..uses in form....

Through*these..he is conjoined..to heaven.
To love..the Lord..and the neighbor
means..in general..to perform {good-uses...good fruits]
(Heaven_and_Hell,..n.112)

Love and wisdom..without use..are not anything;..
they are only..ideal/..non-entities;
nor do they..become real..until they are..in use.

Love,..wisdom,..and use..are three things..which cannot*be separated;
for if they are..separated,..neither of them..{alone]..is anything.

Love is not anything..without wisdom,..
but..in wisdom..it is formed for something.
This something..is use;..

wherefore..when love..by wisdom..*is in*use,..
then it..is something,..indeed it*..then..first exists.
They are thus..precisely like..end,..cause,..and effect.
(Apocalypse/Revealed,..n.875)

Use..is the doing of good..from love..by means of wisdom.
Use is..good..itself...(Conjugial/Love,..n.183)



Wisdom,..Intelligence,..and the Mind

From..[the Lord]..proceeds all/wisdom,..
through wisdom>intelligence,
through intelligence>reason,.

and so by means..of reason
the knowledges..of the memory..are vivified.

This is..the order..of life.
(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.121)

Let..no-one believe..that he*has wisdom
because..he knows*..many things,
OR..perceives them..in..some light,
and..is able to talk..intelligently about*them,
*unless..his wisdom..is conjoined to love*.

It is love..that,..through its affections,..produces wisdom.

Not conjoined..to love,..
wisdom is..like a meteor vanishing in the air
and..like a falling star...

Wisdom united..to love..is like..the abiding light
of the sun..and..like..a fixed star.

A person has..the love of wisdom..when he is averse...to the lusts..of evil.and falsity...(Divine/Providence,..n.35)

The..state of wisdom..is when a person has*..no longer
any concern..about..understanding truths..and goods,
but more..about willing..and living them;..

for..in this is..to*be..wise.
(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.10225)
Posted by one under god, Monday, 1 November 2010 5:51:49 AM
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A person is..in enlightenment..when..he is*in
the*love..of truth....for the sake*..of..truth,

and not..for the..sake of..self..and..the world.
(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.9424)

[good..summation's..here]
http://www.theisticscience.org/swedenborg/Swedenbo.htm
http://www.theisticscience.org/leon/theistic_science-psychology.html

back/2..mine..quote/edit

Man..possesses..a natural-mind..and a spiritual_mind.
The natural-mind..is below,..[animal/beast/terrestial/self]
and the spiritual..mind above.[celestial/love/compassion/service]

The natural mind..is the mind..of..a person's..world,
and..the spiritual/mind..is the mind..of..*his heavenly..influx.

The natural/mind..may be called..the animal-mind,..
and..the spiritual..mind..the human-mind.

A human being..is..discriminated..from an animal..by possessing..a spiritual-mind...By means of..this mind..he can*be ..in heaven..while still.in the world.

It is..by means of..this mind..also..
that man lives..after*death...(Life 86)

Love{eminating..from heaven,,can be..understood..only from its quality,[fruit]..and..its quality..is wisdom;..and its quality..or wisdom

can only exist..from*..its*being,..which is of love;..
hence it is..that love..and wisdom..are one...
(Divine/Providence,..n.13)

Divine/Providence

The Divine_providence..is universal,..that is,..in things..*most..minute;
and those who are..in..the stream of providence..are borne
continuously..toward happiness....whatever may*be..the appearance of..*the means,

and those..are..in..the..stream of providence..who
put their trust..in..the*Divine..and attribute..all things..to Him.
(Arcana/Coelestia,..n.8478)

Divine/providence differs..from all other..leading..and guidance..in this,
that providence..continually regards..what is eternal
and continually..leads unto salvation,..that good/truth..to all

and..this/.through various states,..sometimes glad,..sometimes sad,
which man..cannot..at all comprehend;..but..still
they*..all..conduce..to*..his life eternal...(Arcana Coelestia,..n.8560)

It is..the unceasing..effort of the Lord..in*His..Divine providence
to conjoin man..to*Himself..and Himself..to*man.

This conjunction..is what..is called reformation..and regeneration.
By it..man has salvation...(Divine-Providence,..n.123)

It is..the constant..aim of..Divine/providence to unite
good to truth..and truth to good..in*..a person,..for so
..he*is..united..to the Lord.(Divine-Providence,..n.21)

All things..are full*..of God,
and everyone..takes his*portion..from that..[omnipresnt..fullness.
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.364)

The Lord's providence..is..in the minutest/things..of all,
from the..first..[living]..thread..of man's life..even to the last,
and afterwards..onto eternity...(Arcana/Coelestia,.n.5894)



Religion..and the..Universal/Church..{body..of christ}

The church..of the Lord..is scattered..all-over..the whole terrestrial globe,..and thus..is universal...
All*they are..on it..&..who have*lived..in the good..of charity..
according..to their..re-ligious*belief...have uses..(Heaven..and Hell,..n.328)

It is..the same..whether..you*..say..a spiritual person..
or..a spiritual/church;..for..a spiritual-person..is..*a church..{temporal-temple}..in particular
and many..*are..the church..in*general.

Unless..a person..individ*ually..were..a church,
there could*..be..
no church..*in general.



An assembly..in general..is what,..in common-language,..called a church;..but in order..that there may*be..any*church..

each one..in..that assembly..must be*..individually..a church..{refuge..safe/harbour..},..or..every..general..
involves..parts..like*itself...(Arcana Coelestia,..n.4292)

the..church..in general..is constituted..of those
who*are..churches..in particular,..however remote..from each*other..they may..be...(Arcana_Coelestia,..n.6637)

The conjunction..of good..and truth
makes..the church*..{individuals}...a good use..
(True/Christian-Religion,..n.398)

By a person..of the church[body of christ]...is meant
one..who is in..the good of charity,..and from that..
in truths..of faith[works]..from the Lord...(True/Christian-Religion,..n.249)

By a person..of the church..is meant..a person*..
in..whom the church*is...(Divine/Love..and Wisdom,..n.118)

Spiritual good..is the good*of truth,..that is,
truth..in..the will..and..*in the act.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 1 November 2010 8:35:32 AM
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