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The Forum > General Discussion > New Liberal Leader . . . . . bye bye Tony Abbott.

New Liberal Leader . . . . . bye bye Tony Abbott.

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I agree with R0bert and Foxy that it is unlikely for a change of leadership of the Libs at this point in time. Better that Abbott lose the election in order to clear the deck for a new party leader.

My preference would've been for Turnbull - had he not cracked his credibility via the Gordon Grech fiasco.

The depth of actual leadership talent in the Liberal party is as thin as their concern for the well-being of all Australians - it is all about big business and economics, the thinking does not extend beyond that. Except for Turnbull, who at least understands our dependency on our physical environment.

Julie Bishop (in fact both Bishops) do not possess a single original thought. Joe Hockey - appears to be a buffoon, however I am sure he is far more savvy, he is one to watch. The important lesson for the Libs to learn is that offering Howard era ideology is over, anachronistic and will further alienate voters.

One thing I do know for sure is that Gillard will be our new ELECTED PM and the Greens will increase their percentage.
Posted by Severin, Sunday, 4 July 2010 11:40:54 AM
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Considering that Abbott brought labor from an all time high to its knees in just six months, it is unlikely that even a loss to a re badged labor would result in his ouster.

Quite the contrary, as he has proved to be the giant killer, he would be kept in place to continue to shred Labor's credibility.

I notice that in spite of the rebound in popularity of Labor, the Morgan polls indicate little bounce for labor in Queensland or WA in marginal seats.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:38:31 PM
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SM

You're dreamin'
Posted by Severin, Sunday, 4 July 2010 1:19:03 PM
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Shadow Minister,

There has been nothing particularly dynamic about Abbott's stint as opposition leader (unless I've missed something) - you give him too much credit for Rudd's demise. He is a mediocre political personality at best - certainly not a giant killer
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 4 July 2010 1:19:07 PM
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for once in his life..Benq might actually be right.

But there is a solution .. *waves at Tony*...

TONY.. if you want to win... do these things.

1/ Stop worrying about "Phony Tony" stuff and ram home the 'Gullible Gillard' mantra

2/ Stop speaking like you are worried about every syllable being processed by the Labor Mean Machine to recycle as 'PhonyTony' propaganda.

3/ Get RIGHT away from an emmissions TRADING scheme and lay it down quick smart about how it is just a left/green/socialist money tree.

4/ ASSYLUM/COUNTRY SHOPPERS Forget a 'pacific solution' and do the following:

a) Hold CAPTAINS AND CREWS accountable and jail them for life..and spread that message far and wide in Indonesia. They are in fact 'people smugglers' themselves. (when the boats have stopped.. let em go :) if they keep coming.. keep them in jail as an example...for as long as it takes...or demand ransoms of a million per person from their families. (should at least get good publicity)

b) Make us of Article 31 in the Refugee convention and send them BACK for disqualifiying themselves by improper conduct and criminality.

OK...you now have the program.. just use it.. no charge.. it's free.
I guarantee you will have at least 3 if not more Melbourne Eastern suburbs marginal electorates batting for you.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 4 July 2010 1:25:54 PM
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OLO Shadow Minister and Hasbeen is not an Oxford style debate.
That could be won on the value of words even untrue ones.
Here we, all of us, tell what we think the outcomes may be.
Based on history, Hawk deposing his leader, Turnbull being shafted.
Howard too was removed, his words went something like this on being asked would he return to leadership.
That would be Lazarus with a triple bypass.
Followers of both party's often have reasons to follow that they think are shared by all in that party.
Often they are quite wrong SM and H are such followers Turnbull can do a Howard.
In my party some, so very wrongly demand socialism and a host of things we do not, forget the pledge seek.
A party, those who best serve it, must confront daily the best out comes for the party.
Abbott has lost his leverage, polling from now till kick off will prove that.
If another leader can save just 5 seats we will see change before the election.
The election after this one will see an ETS in place, no mining tax dispute and a whole new path for the still opposition as they come to understand putting policy's that are of interest only to the SM and HB are not winning new votes
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 4 July 2010 4:27:44 PM
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