Oliver

I take your your point however when there are 1000 murders in one town and 100 in another surely the town with 1000 murders should get at least equal press.

Runner....Child abuse is...WRONG...in every community.

Have you recently just learnt the words left and right? Good boy... well done!...Take a Nanna nap old fella.

Which are you Right, Left or Wrong?

Isn't he argument against homosexuals is just bigotry...and a deliberate diversion?

Isn't the traditional religious motto..."If in trouble blame a homosexual?"

Some very reasonable people on here have given you guys your 5 minutes of fame...

I have no problem with gay clergy whatsoever...hey, it's probable that after being persecuted for so long, they may be more full of Christian compassion than most, if given a fair go.

Afterall they at least know what it is to be oppressed!

Jesus was totally silent on homosexuality and maybe you two should follow your leader...lol

Do you two represent Jesus well?

If you are representatives of Jesus' followers GOD help us all...lol

The Hollingsworth case was a terribly sad affair....he is a good man...BUT...Hollingsworth by getting it wrong chose to go.

In the end, he did the right thing...Could that have been his role in life to show others how a dignified person, can regain his dignity, by taking the correct decision after erring?

Isn't this what people are calling for in this debate?

If people have erred on the side of protecting institutions, instead of the victim, shouldn't they do the honourable thing and go? Don't they owe it to their congregations?

Aren't there too many good people of faith, to be continually let down by the institutions through which they worship?

Matthew 7:16-20....http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt%207:16-20&version=NIV

is very pertinent to this debate. If this is Jesus' instructions then isn't it is time for the good trees to bear good fruit?

Isn't it time for those leaders of the Churches to admit they have failed their congregations, and to cut themselves from positions of authority?

This quote might help these leaders who have failed their congregations

Buddy Robinson...."Pride is the only disease known to man, that makes everyone sick except the person who has it."

Could it be pride, that stops them taking the Hollingworth decision?

Is this another Pellism?...http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/551237/Cardinal-Pell-denies-cover-up-over-sex-abuse-claims

runner,

The Australian government has acted against child abuse in indigenious communities as I guess most OLO folks would know from the meadia: e.g.,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/19/1955528.htm

Likewise, the Australian government can make its concerns about paedophilia in the Catholic Church felt diplomatically. If nothing happens then downgrade the relationship and pull out Tim Fisher.

*Oliver*

This was posted earlier by *Opionated2* I believe:

Geoffrey Robertson, QC, is author of Crimes Against Humanity.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/pope-must-answer-for-crimes-against-humanity-20100403-rkro.html

" ... But head of state immunity provides no protection for the Pope in the International Criminal Court. The ICC statute definition of a crime against humanity includes rape and sexual slavery and similarly inhumane acts causing harm to mental or physical health, committed against civilians on a widespread or systematic scale, if condoned by a government or a de facto authority. ... "

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And a recent article on Australian ABC:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/14/2872943.htm

" ... Vatican distances itself from prelate's gay remarks
By Brendan Trembath
Updated Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:47am AEST

The Vatican has distanced itself from remarks by a top prelate who stirred anger in the gay community by blaming homosexual priests for the child sex abuse scandals rocking the Catholic Church. ... "

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Indeed, according to some Christian Teachings, the metaphysical experience for want of a better term of the "Garden of Gethsemane" and subsequent "Road to Golgotha" is a terrifying one in Christian Initiation.

*Boazy* to me, at least in part, is like He who according to the Biblical account took up his sword, and sort to defend his Lordy with violence.

Verily, the path to Hell is paved with "good intentions."

But this, with such travesties being committed, surely if the children were the most important thing then their defence even at one's personal expense would be of the utmost priority.

But as demonstrated by the behavior of the catholic church it appears quite apparent that they are primarily motivated by self interest.

As their Christ concept is alleged to have said:
"Know the Tree by the Fruit."

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I imagine that RatSinger will come out with a raft of measures but to me at least, he has already fallen from Grace and it would be best if he voluntarily left and turned himself over in acknowledgment of the fact that he part way ascended the mountain, was tried and found wanting.

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Chancellor Palpatine:
"All those who gain power are afraid to lose it."

Oliver the headline of your article reads ' Rudd wants national effort on child.' You could just as well say Gough, Malcolm, Bob, Paul and John wants a national effort. In fact every State Premier for the last 50 years would state the same rhetoric. The point is that it is still going on far more than other areas in community. If the pope or any other leader puts institutions or politics before the protection of kids they should be charged or removed. The Government is just as responsible as the Vatican as they are more concerned about how others view them (UN) than they are of removing kids in abusive situations. Repeat child molesters should be castrated

Opinionated2,

"Runner....Child abuse is...WRONG...in every community."

That is true for those of us who are concerned about the children. One has to wonder how concerned about children are those who seem only concerned about one community that has left no stone unturned to avoid child abuse while completely disinterested in any other.