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Posted by Opinionated2, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 1:29:39 AM
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suzeonline,
You are willing to use the imprimatur of the APA to lend credence to your argument but you are unwilling to see that it was a political decision and not a scientific decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM. Apart from the historical evidence from Bieber, there was the fact that the APA used the same flawed logic (which they used to justify homosexuality's removal) to create a class of paedophile who could also be removed from the DSM. ie The paedophile whose actions did not "cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning" was "psychologically normal" according to DSM-IV. This stance was later recanted, again due to political pressure. In other words, the APA's stance on homosexuality is based on "proper scientific detail; it is a political stance. Posted by Proxy, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:34:53 AM
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Opinionated2,
Before entering academia, I was a national product manager with a Bank. While I would concede that a Bank (a company) might cover-up an embarrassing accounting error, after the fact. There is no way that staff would protect staff, as in the Catholic Church, had someone been caught committing paedophilia in an Office. The Police would be called, and, I suspect the culprit heavy-handedly restrained. I think cover-ups of serious crimes against people are more likely to occur where there are “brotherhoods” with codes of secrecy, such as, the military, police and the churches. Of course where the offender has power, there might not be an attempt to cover-up. In medieval England Lords would take brides of their serfs, before the husband-to-be. Likewise, if one reads Numbers 31: 17-18, the God fearing army raping the virgins are likely to assaulting girls 12-13 years of age or younger, given Midianite marriages would have normally taken place in the early teen years. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+31&version=NIV Also be careful not consider confuse Christianity and with Christ, even if most of the letters are the same. The former is a Pauline-Constantinian institution framed using “selected” histographies about Jesus. Whereas, Jesus seems to have been a first century mendicant with political ambitions, who was a loyal Jew with some reservations about obedience to the Law of the old covenant. That said, the Catholic Church would do well to recall Jesus cited in Matthew 7:5; “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye”. All, Please view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFp21ryzs4 As covered a few times in this thread, there is some debate over whether the Vatican is a State under international law, despite 179 diplomatic missions to the Vatican and its observer only status at some UN meetings. I have Chaired some Australian Bankers’ Association meetings and the Vatican is a bit like the RBA, it is a Bank but has a special interest with Banks. Benedict will not be arrested but he could be sent to diplomatic Coventry if he covered-up paedophilia. Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:36:03 AM
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typo correction:
In other words, the APA's stance on homosexuality is NOT based on "proper scientific detail"; it is a political stance. Posted by Proxy, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:36:34 AM
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Opinionated2,
Before entering academia, I was a national product manager with a Bank. While I would concede that a Bank (a company) might cover-up an embarrassing accounting error, after the fact. There is no way that staff would protect staff, as in the Catholic Church, had someone been caught committing paedophilia in an Office. The Police would be called, and, I suspect the culprit heavy-handedly restrained. I think cover-ups of serious crimes against people are more likely to occur where there are “brotherhoods” with codes of secrecy, such as, the military, police and the churches. Of course where the offender has power, there might not be an attempt to cover-up. In medieval England Lords would take brides of their serfs, before the husband-to-be. Likewise, if one reads Numbers 31: 17-18, the God fearing army raping the virgins are likely to assaulting girls 12-13 years of age or younger, given Midianite marriages would have normally taken place in the early teen years. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+31&version=NIV Also be careful not consider confuse Christianity and with Christ, even if most of the letters are the same. The former is a Pauline-Constantinian institution framed using “selected” histographies about Jesus. Jesus seems to have been a first century mendicant with political ambitions, who was a loyal Jew with some reservations about obedience to the Law of the old covenant. That said, the Catholic Church would do well to recall Jesus cited in Matthew 7:5; “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye”. All, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFp21ryzs4 As covered a few times in this thread there is some debate over whether the Vatican is a State under international despite 17o+ diplomatic missions to the Vatican and its observer only status at some UN meetings. I have Chaired some Australian Bankers’ Association meetings and the Vatican is a bit like the RBA, it's a Central Bank having a special interest with Trading Banks. Benedict will not be arrested. Yet, he should diplomatic Coventry, if he covered-up paedophilia. But politicians are too weak. Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:45:20 AM
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Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:45:20 AM
" ... Benedict will not be arrested. Yet, he should diplomatic Coventry, if he covered-up paedophilia. But politicians are too weak. ... " Well, that is your opinion *Oliver* but as in the case of the likes of Pinochet, there are legal mechanisms to arrest Heads of State. And of course, it is easier yet again to arrest those who are not afforded the full protections of a Head of State. I note further that your UTube link also indicates that these same legal mechanisms are being seriously considered for invocation. Thus, in short, you cannot "know" that he will not be arrested. I hope that he will be, but I do not know. .. And my dear *Boazy,* whilst you can say I thing a million times with great zeal, it does not necessarily make it factually so. So again I would ask you, if Homosexuality in the view of the catholic church is a disease, then what is its underlying pathology and how is it treated? .. Oh, by the way, did I hear correctly that *RatSinger* was a member of the Hitler Youth? If that is the case, in some ways I would assume that a form of abuse in the form of indoctrination was perpetrated upon him when he was a child. Thus, it leaves me wondering whether he has or would try to cover up for the Nazis as well? And now even as an adult, his "I" and "Intellect" appear to remain weak in that he has also succumbed to catholic indoctrination, leading him to aid and albeit pedophiles by way of covering up of the facts pertaining to one of the most heinous of crimes, that being the rape and sexual molestation of minors. Posted by DreamOn, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 11:49:36 AM
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Churches however aren't companies. As a Christian organisation they should hold the values of Jesus Christ uppermost. Under Jesus the victims should come first and openness and honesty should rule the day.
This article (if accurate) illustrates the problems a Church Leader faces when dealing in such matters...http://www.search.com/reference/Peter_Hollingworth
Does this mean that by trying to protect the bottom line of the Church or the Insurers of the Church that they are acting in an unChristian manner?
Jesus answers this himself....Afterall You can't serve two masters...http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:24&version=NIV
Here is a criticism of the Pope from a Massachusetts priest
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/priest-pope-truthful-sex-abuse/story?id=10354275
and a story regarding the storm occuring in the Pope's homeland of Germany
http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/papal-silence-crisis-troubles-german-catholics
The Church should now realises that the truth will out, so shouldn't they clean out the organisation quickly and forget the culture and practises that have helped create these allegations?
AS I have stated, whilst I am not Catholic I have many Catholic friends. The vast majority of Catholics are great people. It's so sad that so many have been let down by the alleged inaction over time.