Foxy,
I can't work out why you would give Paul Collins more credence than Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone.
Surely Bertone would have more insight into the "Child Sex Abuse and the Catholic Church" problem than a dissident priest?
He would have had access to all the case files and psychiatric reports.
Or are you suggesting that Bertone is one of Collins' "self-hating closet queens"?
This surely is just the standard homosexual ad hominem attack, designed to shut down debate:
anybody who is criticises homosexual behaviour is a repressed homosexual.
I've seen it used in this forum.
I've had it used against me.
It is as logical as claiming that anybody who criticises Islam is a repressed Muslim.
I can't believe that a person of your intelligence cannot see through this tripe.
As Bertone says, statistics demonstrate the homosexual-paedophile link over and over again.
In the US Catholic Church:
More than 10,000 cases > 81% male > 90% of those being adolescent boys ranging from 11-17 years old.
Was it Collins' "self-hating closet queens" perpetrating these acts?

As for Michael Jackson:
Surely you were being tongue-in-cheek?
(if you'll pardon the homosexual allusion)

Proxy while well aware you are unlikely to listen I must address yourr postings.
Why are you trying to divert every thread to homosexuality?
And on what evidence do you claim those who you speak of are closet homosexuals?
Is it so very hard to start a thread.
This subject does not need you trying to stop debate about dreadful crimes commited by men against children.
IF those who do such things are still believers the Church must confirm its view on every one of them.
if forgiveness can be given for this no crime anyone commits is not forgivable.

Proxy

Deliberate ignorance such as you are displaying at OLO is unforgivable.

This topic is about paedophilia in general and the reaction to said behaviour within the Catholic Church in particular.

You are free to start a topic concerning sexual orientation any time, however to deliberately equate paedophilia with homosexuality as you continue to do so is reprehensible. Your attempts at obfuscation of this issue indicates that you do not care at all for the victims, many of whom are little girls as well as little boys. Nor will I be drawn into an argument about lesbian nuns. While I am sure a minority have abused their positions of trust the abhorrent truth is that most of the abuse of girls and boys has been by male clergy whose rank and interaction with children remains prevalent.

Severin - "Proxy" is just the latest sockpuppet alias of the serial troll formerly known as "KMB", "Herman Yutic" et al.

Best outed, then ignored, I reckon.

Ah...all is made clear CJ.

Severin is right. This sort of blatant prejudice is unforgivable for one who claims some sort of moral superiority merely by virtue of belief rather than by actions.

Man makes up his own rules as he/she goes along - one set of rules written on behalf of a supernatural being by one set of people does not exclude another set of people in future years acknowledging misdeeds and mistakes that can be rectified and the rules rewritten.

Who are we to play GOD with any other persons sexuality?

Anyway this is about pedophilia and as has already been stated most acts are committed by heterosexuals many of them married with their own children.

Sheesh you would really think in an advanced secular world we would be over this whole sexual preference insecurity.

Thankfully there are some Churches and religious folk who are pushing to embrace and accept homosexuals into not only their ranks but into their congregations.

runner,

The issue Suzeonline has brought to the Forum for discussion is, “Paedophilia in the Catholic Church” not the universal condition. Besides, by way of comparison, because there are axe murders in town X it does not justify the actions of axe murders in town Y. Else put, if there are paedophiles in indigenous communities that does not justify the behaviour of non-indigenous paedophile priests. Let’s stay focused on the topic. Thanks.

DreamOn,

Of course, I cannot say with absolute certainty that the Pope will not be charged and arrested. Yet, I suspect it highly unlikely, even given several issues regarding the legitimacy of the Vatican as a “State” and the Pope as a “Sovereign Leader” in international law. Even the more mundane matter of “where” he is alleged to havebroken the Law, say, Germany or/and the Vatican cum Italy. Would the offence(s) fall under UK jurisprudence? I suspect not.

I suggest that Dawkins, Hutchens and Robertson are making their claims to keep the topic hot.

Opinionated2,

- “It will be interesting to see how Governments act on this matter. I think that the world's population is demanding swift and stern action. I suspect “

Messrs Rudd and Abbott would avoid commenting on the Pope.

Personally, I would like to see some diplomatic rebuff of the Church, because of its inaction. Moreover, many practising Catholics need to realise that they should overcome their Pollyanna Syndrome and reform their Church, even again resistance from the clergy.

All,

The Catholic Church must cooperate with secular authorities and open its doors to outside investigation, including the “proactive” interviewing of priests, brothers, nuns, lay staff and school children. We must learn what is happening and by whom.