Dear Pynch,

I fully understand where you're coming from -
and you're right of course!
however...

Sometimes you've just got to give in to the dark
side (giggle). You get sick and tired of all the
PC - and think - "to hell with it, let it rip,
potato chip!" especially when the right buttons
are pushed.

You have no idea how many times I've wanted to say
to a religious, righteous nutter:

"Jesus loves you,
Everyone else thinks you're an asshole!"

or

"You're the reason God invented
the middle finger!"

But, no - you can't. That's rude - and you've got to be
polite. Avoid emotionally charged words - personal
attacks on an opponent is an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy - (et cetera, et cetera, et cetera).

Sometimes my instant reaction could be
"Blow it out of your pants mate!"

or

"Talking to you is about as effective as a
fart in a blizzard!"

But you take a break and come back to OLO -
when you're in a better frame of mind to communicate.

Anyway, sorry for all this - but I simply had
to get it off my chest!

Haha Foxy you wag!

Lmao.

One of my mental faves is, "I've only got two middle fingers."

Some people just warrant more than one hey :)

Foxy:"you've got to be
polite. Avoid emotionally charged words - personal
attacks on an opponent is an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy - "

Rot. Some opponents are simply not worth engaging with on any other level, since they're not capable of grasping simple concepts that most would regard as central to the discussion being held.

Besides, some people just invite ridicule by their existence. The po-faced wowsers who infest the gender threads practically demand mockery.

On the other hand, I don't much like people who abuse without wit. Whilst I am possibly one of the more vituperative posters here, I try to be witty in doing so. Yes, it's casting pearls before undeserving swine very often, but then, they're not my audience.

The worst form of conduct in these debates is the dog-whistle, used by some weakminded debaters to try to close down a discussion by flooding it with irrelevant "me toos".

Anti

I admire your knowledge of many subjects, the effort that you put into research and do have a laugh at most of your insults. I just think that the insults distract people from your message. Whenever anyone cannot find a comeback to the points that you raise, they just feign outrage at one of your insults. I understand that family law is emotionally charged for you, wouldn't you like to win converts to your point of view?

benk:"I just think that the insults distract people from your message."... "wouldn't you like to win converts to your point of view?"

The people who tend to engage with me on these subjects are zealots. They are not only convinced that all men are evil, they are convinced that all men will forever be evil. There is no way they can be convinced that they are wrong. The best service I can offer is to make these people so risible that they simply shut up. I don't usually have to work too hard at that...

On the other hand, there are many people who read these threads who never contribute. I am confident that they are reading my posts and nodding their heads. Most people recognise that hecklers deserve heckling and appreciate it if it's done well.

There are also some very clever and dedicated men, such as Greg Andresen, Ash Patil, John Flanagan, John Stapleton and many others who are doing good strong behind the scenes work, lobbying politicians, lodging complaints with Ombudsmans offices about the more egregious outbursts of Feminist-dominated bureaucracies, etc. Then there are the thousands of men amd women who write into newspapers, TV stations, etc giving their stories. Where once the only voice heard was that of the bitter ex-wife, now it is common to hear the other side of the story.

I think that my POV is becoming well accepted and that change will come. The grand social experiment has failed and the evidence for that continues to pile up.

If some see me as a demon to attack, good luck to them. They just give me a chance to make obvious their self-interested foolishness.

Foxy,

'
Sometimes you've just got to give in to the dark
side (giggle). You get sick and tired of all the
PC - and think - "to hell with it, let it rip,
potato chip!"'

See this is the kind of attitude I've long looked to foster in you. I always knew you had the potential. Don't you feel more alive?

pynchme,

'and they are much more directly hateful'

I cant agree. The amount of stuff that's been thrown at anti, really personal sh1t about his children, being a paedo and stuff, is often as a response to a generally sexist patronising comment from him, or even a general comment about single mothers or something. Sexist patronising and unfair generalisations in no way can be equated to accusing someone of bashing their wife and being a kiddie fiddler.

'I know you and Foxy have men in your lives that you love dearly'
As I'm sure does antiseptic. He probably loves some Women too.

I'm afraid you girls are often hiding behind a passive aggressive victim-hood smokescreen on these threads. Foxy's post confirms it to some degree. Most of the stuff you say like loving men etc bares no relation to how you argue about gender stuff and the image of men you are all constantly portraying.

You'll spend 10 posts creating this profile of the typical abusive man, throw around insults at antiseptic and co and then when they respond fall back on the 'oh, look at his attitude to women.'

I see you both as identical sides to the same coin, but with one party (anti) accepting his low pariah status and playing his part as the hated abusive man, and the high and mighty untouchable god given benefit of the doubt wholesomeness chicks covering their equal aggression with the thinnest (as that's all that's necessary given your gender) veneer of 'but I really love men' disclaimer.