Where to begin with this stupidity.

"If this is what comes with a free society, do we really need it.
I say a mix of free, with common sense would be more appropriate."

Desmond, it is about WHO makes the decisions. Yes we need a free society. As for "a mix of free wit common sense" that's relinquishing the choice to government. Whose common sense should we blindly trust? Given the naivete of this comment, I wouldn't trust your idea of common sense.

"Would you StG let you daughter (assumming you had one ) go to one of these places? Let someone who would --say so here !"

Notably, you didn't ask whether you'd let your son go to one of these places and it's the men who are more commonly involved in violence.

And yet, you didn't ask about them. You focused on the women. As if they are the issue.

Which is a very telling comment.

If had a daughter and she was over 18, she'd be an adult. I'd hope she'd be wise enough to choose for herself. I certainly wouldn't be able to make the decision for her.

Adults make their own decisions.

Which kinda comes back to my first point.

Also I'm curious as to whether you Hanrahan, or you Desmond are a woman. I'm reasonably certain you're not.

Not that being a man disqualifies you from commenting, but I rather suspect women also would prefer to be able to make these decisions for themselves.

Hanrahan: <"Tell me I am wrong , but its suits men to promote the idea but ask any man on the planet (pushy or not) whether they want to marry a girl who is easy.">

... ask any woman on the planet whether they want to marry a male who is easy. Few women will respect, much less love, a male slut for long.

There are some PEOPLE - male and female - who are promiscuous. There are many PEOPLE - female and male - who are more selective and who seek sex in a loving, committed relationship.

TRTL is right. I should have said ...would you want them to.. . Are we going to let what I hope is a questioning of the excuses, mental twisting and lies sold to our daughters hide behind ...a, its no longer our responsibility clause ? Please , you silent ones out there...would you want your daughter to...?

Are we really behaving like men or mice here ?
I saw a man behaving like a mouse on the TV tonight . A father who quoted the opinion of a 15YO's as authorative - his own 15YO. Dad's opinion would have been far more important because Lindsay claims to lead the households of the country ( http://ecomia.blogspot.com ). As Melinda Tankard Reist pointed out so well , men should be free to speak ( freedom of speech starts at home?)and disagree, but are they ? Or are the childrenincharge ?
The choice is clear - Labor let's everyone do what they like, so these non governors have no choice but to let the economy and the moral life of the country run itself . From the $900 gift to letting our daughters fall for crap .
Please , you silent ones out there -speak up!
Melinda also made the point that not enough is being done to prevent the selling of prostitution type behaviour to the young ones . My point too is that there are many young girls who are unaware of the implications of being there - maybe noone who cared enough tried to tell them that natural instinct provides a natural excuse for the rebellious teenager who has more hormone control than mind or experience control to guide them .
Whose problem is the lack of awareness?- our daughters or us fathers? Greer was wrong and is still wrong - freedom come at a cost Come on girls, say something here !
Cumon, talk about your daughters and what you want for them !StG

Hanrahan, others have already asked but you seem to have missed it.

Why the exclusive focus on daughters?

R0bert

Dear Hanrahan,

You ask, "What do we want for our daughters?"

The same as what we want for our sons.

What is important as I've said in the past is the
content of our children's hearts and minds, or what
is often described as character. When we say,
"It's what's inside that counts," we speak a simple
but profound truth.

It seems that our job as parents is to raise a decent
human being.

Decency might sound like a modest ambition,
but in today's culture it's not so easy to achieve as
we might think. Every parent I know lives with the
uneasy sense that their children are growing up too fast.
I hope that I have instilled in my children clear values
and a real code to live by. I tried to raise them with a
sturdy sensibility, a world view, and I wanted it to
be different from the "Me" mentality of modern culture.

I understand that these are difficult times for parents.
When you realize that your child is just as likely to find a
condom as a flower, at the park.

I remember a friend's daughter excitedly telling her mother about
the "great story," she had just read, and that in the book
"Alice and her boyfriend French kissed."

"French kissed?" her mother was dumbfounded.

The little girl explained how great a French kiss was!

Great indeed!

But, in retrospect - in thinking about this problem, I began
to realize that if you have a six-to-ten year old who liked
to read, this in many ways was an unavoidable aspect of our
cultural landscape.

It makes sense to be aware of what your children are reading,
and to make sure that the best
books - including classics old and new, are also avialable
to them.

Our role as parents is not to protect our children from the
truth, but to protect them from something LESS than the
truth! And the truth is that - yes, French kissing may be
wonderful, but love is even better!

This is the sort of discussion that could go on forever : You say all we want to do is bring up a decent child. [To whose standards ]
Young people are followers of fashion. [Is it fashion you are combating] Maybe instead of looking at what's happened, it may be time to see what's about to happen.
On the news tonight i saw a female with a fabric star covering her nipples and the rest was see through mesh.
Wheres the standard, Why not blokes with their stork in a sheif like hey do in New Guinea. [will that be fashion ]
We may be targeting the wrong age group. [Could be gettin to old.]