PF
PALE are most certainly not! a veg group. As you know we work with RSPCA QLD and there policy is main stream. You are well aware of that which is why you! contacted PALE in the first place asking us to help you because Animals Australia would not.
Your were words were quote "until they support the free range farmers who do the right thing they will not have my support" You asked us to put that up on our site and when we put it on OLO you complained to GY about me!

Pale are the only animal welfare group In Australia to work direct with Muslim leaders having a MOU with AFIC to try to have animals slaughtered here as an alternative to live export.
I have the same types of emails and letters both from voiceless and Animals Australia.
In those letters they clearly state they could NOT support our work because of the creulty involved in transport to abattoirs and the plants themselves.

I have several from Voiceless.
Would you like me to post them on OLO.
Perhaps I should becuase it is important the public know all the facts.!
The only person who is again! looking at legal action is you
I have invited AA and voiceless many many times to debate this publicly.
When people protest about meat eaters it does the animals a great deal of harm
You should know that. Our job is to inform the public that there is an alternative and the others refuse! to work together to get that introduced as quickly as possible.
Our interests are for the Animals Only.
Walts and all I can honestly say that fighting does not exsist in RSPCA QLD
Everybody works happily and for the common goal to improve animal welfare.
I might add they will not be impressed if you continue to misinform the public that we are a veg group.
When did I last have steak.?
Last night on my BBQ with a nice red.

PF
PALE are most certainly not! a veg group. As you know we work with RSPCA QLD and there policy is main stream. You are well aware of that which is why you! contacted PALE in the first place asking us to help you because Animals Australia would not.
Your were words were quote "until they support the free range farmers who do the right thing they will not have my support" You asked us to put that up on our site and when we put it on OLO you complained to GY about me!

Pale are the only animal welfare group In Australia to work direct with Muslim leaders having a MOU with AFIC to try to have animals slaughtered here as an alternative to live export.
I have the same types of emails and letters both from voiceless and Animals Australia.
In those letters they clearly state they could NOT support our work because of the creulty involved in transport to abattoirs and the plants themselves.

I have several from Voiceless.
Would you like me to post them on OLO.
Perhaps I should becuase it is important the public know all the facts.!
The only person who is again! looking at legal action is you
I have invited AA and voiceless many many times to debate this publicly.
When people protest about meat eaters it does the animals a great deal of harm
You should know that. Our job is to inform the public that there is an alternative and the others refuse! to work together to get that introduced as quickly as possible.
Our interests are for the Animals Only.
Walts and all I can honestly say that fighting does not exsist in RSPCA QLD
Everybody works happily and for the common goal to improve animal welfare.
I might add they will not be impressed if you continue to misinform the public that we are a veg group.
When did I last have steak.?
Last night on my BBQ with a nice red.
PALE in conjunction with RSPCA QLD

As usual your statements are based on outdated information PALE.

Animals Australia and Voiceless have my full support. Both organizations openly support free range farming on their websites.

About time you updated your sources Wendy.

BTW Were is any support from the RSPCA?

I dont like cowards.

You sneak in here "behind a Vaile" of false allegations and out right lies but dont have the fiber or decency to post in your real name.

What false comments?

Nothing I said is defamatory. What "you" are saying
"is"

You cant tell the public PALE is a vegetarian group when you know very well that is a lie.

You have forty eight hours to retract that statement. You just cant go on a online forum and make false allegations.
Read your letter again.

Voiceless informed us in writing they can not be involved with anything to do with establishing Abattoirs .

They are very new in Animal Welfare and by the way they are fantasic people.

MANY people have complained of difficulty with Glenyce so I am Robinson Cruso there.
Animals Australia - also wrote they cant be involved in helping to establish Abattoirs to replace live exports because of their vegetarian members. Animal Liberation too.

We try to convince them that until we set up alternatives nothing will change.
We have put a lot of pressure on them to change from veggies to main stream.
No we are not on good terms with "some" who roll around shopping centers with pretend blood over near naked bodies because they give all a bad name.

It works against the animals and the farmers. You said that yourself.

Nor do we speak with PETA because the Founder Ingrid is too scared to debate this with us.

This is Australia and they are a USA Group.

We are protesting about Animal Welfare in Australia being taken over by a bunch of USA extremists[ Fund raising Extremists,] because the media are branding all groups extreme, except RSPCA.

We are on as good terms as possibly with the Government who are very aware of this and the Muslim Leaders the main stream farmers and public.
Thats is because we are not a vegetarian group and "not extreme' or veggies!.
Have some veggie members.
All people are welcome.
Most People just want to help the Animals
Antje Struthmann

Hi all
I'm at a loss about how this thread, started to examine the legal context of animal cruelty cases, has degenerated into the vegetarian debate again, and it is a pity. With reference tolegal action, my research indicates that it is pretty well impossible unless you have the standing to begin a prosecution, the money to do it, and the standing to appeal a manifestly inadequate sentence like the ones Jenna described (thanks, Jenna). Getting case notes and transcripts is problematical because from what I have found in mnost jurisdictions these cases are heard in the lower courts (certainly in NSW, and I'm told Victoria and Tasmania) and you have to buy them. With the level of dedication I've seen in police prosecutors (apparently the RSPCA's instruments of choice), they aren't likely to be worth the expense. Getting material better than what Animal Liberation has got in intensive pig and battery hen farms in various states, and Animals Australia on live exports would be a pretty hard act to follow, I suspect.
None of this relates even slightly to who is vegetarian and who isn't. It is sad too to see such bitterness between people who clearly mean well, and such malice towards Animals Australia, Animal Liberation and Voiceless, too, all have made stunning achievements in the right direction. The first two have members who take considerable personal risks to do what they do, and for that they should be commended. They do some incredible stuff, including in shopping centres (and how else do you get to the apathetic masses?).
Finally, I guess it is their choice whom they do business with. As for Ingrid Newkirk being afraid to debate anything, I would be amazed if that were the case; the Ingrid I know is afraid of nothing. And clearly to do what they do, these groups need to raise funds, PETA happens to be particularly successful at it.
Can we please lower the hostilities and - PALE - you may have to accommodate the differences in philosophy of other groups to get where you want to be.
Nicky

LOL. Incredible! You want to silence my honest opinion because you don’t like it, but are happy to continue spilling yours lies over numerous threads.
I will retract nothing and please refrain from threatening me.

You didn’t answer my question. Were is the RSPCA support for free range farmers?