Fact is .......

http://www.savebabe.com/freerange.html

http://www.voiceless.org.au/weblinks/Organic_%26_Free_Range.htm

PF
Thats fantasic.

Thank God all our pushing has paid off.

As you know before you contacted us they simply refused! to support x?

Now as the site is on public record is there a problem putting it on the other three sites as well?
Do let us know please.
I will write To Brian Shermann and offer the Free Range Farmers support Group web page to them as a gift.
Now may I ask what is being done to increase Free Range Farms to compete with intensive ones?
You said you had friends and contacts so if any of those would like to meet with Russian Business men interested to become involved with Free Range Poulty Pork etc please let us know.
All contacts will be sent direct to whoever is interested and that is the end of our involement unless we are requested by either party to assist.

I am delighted its up PFn At last. Its a foot in the right direction!

Last quick one for tonight...
PF Thanks for those links, and it is good to see them. I don't think that most contributors to animal advocacy groups would want to see their money going to instensive pig farmers who CLAIM not to be able to make "improvements" - I certainly would not want people who have made their money out of suffering animals benefit from anything for nothing. That is essentially supporting what they are doing.
People capable of that degree of cruelty cannot really be relied upon to be remotely truthful, and in that sector there is a strong tendency to "cry poor". I think PF pointed out somewhere that changing to free range in fact doesn't cost that much - a paddock is a paddock, and that, with shelter, is what pigs need. No, I wouldn't give these people a cent.
I am happy to contribute however to such things as investigations like those carried out by Animals Australia in the Middle East, and there is the difference.Animals Australia and Animal Liberation do not have many paid staff, as I understand it. Nor can you get too many people to work for nothing (unless you are Centrelink, of course!), and often those who work for nothing are not exactly quality staff. I'm away for a few days now. See ya,
Nicky

Nicky

I am away soon also. Come on Nicky between RSPCA and Animal Lib groups we could re open and built several new abattoirs.
Sure I hear people screaming that the money should not go to killing animals but saving them.
So whats really required is better understanding that 'sadly' farm animals are bred for meat BUT it should be done here.

The other thing you mentioned I dont agree with Nicky-
When you get non paid staff working for the pure ;love of animals you will always get better results.
Not just animals but every thing.
Who remembers the fantasic Salvation Army years ago before they had paid postions in shelters and other areas.
I do. Let me tell you the world was a whole lot nicer then because you had people who actually cared about what they were doing.

What we require to help Animals is for AA V and AL groups and or members to help identify farmers prepaired to look at dealing more direct with their overseas cutomers.

We need to see far far more being done at grass roots levels WITH Farmers] Good Ones Like PF.


Help the Farmers covert to free range and that will stop a lot of cruelty.
You do that by asking your members to speak to any local free range farmers of anything.
Also as for intensive piggeries set up some free range ones and run them properly as regarding animal welfare.

Then train the young ones.

Run it properly and make a good profit and turn that one into another free range pig or poultry farm. Thats how you do it. You put the others out of business with heaps of public support buying only free range. However you must be able to supply! first. Get Woolworths involved I am sure they want to be seen in a good light with the public and they are certainly not adverse to branching out lets face it.
I am leaving as well. Have a good trip Nicky PF Goodnigh

Boys Get 10 Years for Cooking Dog
Posted: 2/24/2007 5:48:49 PM
ATLANTA (AP) — Two teenage brothers were each sentenced to 10 years in prison for torturing a puppy by cooking it in an oven.

Joshua Moulder, 17, and Justin, 19, pleaded guilty in January to charges including burglary, criminal damage to property, terroristic threats and cruelty to children.

The brothers brought neighborhood children to see the dead puppy, then threatened to kill them if they reported it, prosecutors said.

Police said they found the dead mixed-breed puppy inside an oven at an apartment community centre Aug. 21. Scratch marks were found inside the oven, indicating the puppy had been alive when it was placed inside, prosecutors said.

A necropsy on the three-month-old dog found its paws and snout had been duct taped and it had been doused with paint before being placed in the oven, prosecutors said.

Authorities also found damaged computers, broken glass and splattered paint on the walls of the newly refurbished community centre.

The brothers' first trial ended in a mistrial in December. Their lawyer, Timothy Owens, said he had hoped his clients' sentencing would have focused more on rehabilitation than incarceration.

{ Lets check to see if they do the ten years. Bet they are out already as this was a while back

Cant you just hear the- Oh they were only teenages!
its sickening.]