Thank you, People Against Live Exports - I can try and get hold of what I can but I'll have to think about how to do it. I don't know the people in the groups you mention very well, but I'm happy to see what I can track down. Jenna may have some documents or reports from the cases she has mentioned in Tasmania, and in NSW I'll see what I can get through research of databases. I'm not sure yet what I can get on Victoria, and I honestly don't know anyone in Queensland I could ask. Your organization would have more influence there. I know that there were reports on the pig farming operations at the UQ Gatton University campus. Jenna, Tasmania may be down to you.
Exactly what sort of documents are you looking for? Court transcripts? Reports on raids the different groups may have carried out? What would be the basis of the prosecution? How can you run a national case, when each state has separate legislation? They can't even co-ordinate the monitoring of long-distance transports across the country.
The government thinks that it HAS addressed matters in its National Animal Welfare strategy, which of course is totally unworkable even if they ever intended it to be taken seriously, but when Senator Bartlett put up his National Animal Welfare Bill, the Committee looking into it comprised at least two farmers, one of them being a live export farmer. Such things should only be considered by people who have no commercial interest in animals, and that includes vets. For what it's worth, I did read that the last shipment of sheep to leave Devonport in Tasmania in February last year exceeded the "acceptable" mortality level and there was an AQIS investigation. It was higher than the current WA "Al Kuwait" case, according to the stats.
Nicky

'sincere' Thank You Nicky.
That would be a big help. The answer to your question is anything and everything.
Re a National case it is difficult to answer you publicly. ' The Cause of action' is something we should keep up our sleeves until its filed . We would have to find others to fill Tim and Sam's shoes[ No easy task either].
The most important thing is this case is NOT brought on by any! animal Welfare group. To do so would be a tragic error and leave us open to being branded extreamists.[ Politics]

You seem well informed so I assume you are aware that 90% of people involved in policy including ministers and advisers do have a conflict of interest and many are heavily involved in poultry pigs live exports etc.

You could ask Andrew to assist you with some info.
He wont help us because basically he works with AL PETA AA and they oppose our stand on the live exports[ ie establishing cojoint free range farms with Muslims countries and Australian Farmers.

Also from many Animal Welfare organisations point of view we have committed the cardinal sin of working in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.

Voiceless refuse to work with us for the same anti meat eating policy however they very well might supply you! and they can access much through groups they support and AA.

We would of course pay any outgoings made by yourself and Jenna if she would help you.
I know you said money was not an issue but still we would like to help.
We can help find new council and in other ways but we cant obtain assitance from the others regarding required records. Perhaps you can. After having said all of that Nicky even if we got up in court it will require some real funding to make the huge changes to inprove animal welfare in Australia. We can lean on the Government to a degree but serious money will have to be invested from overseas in my personal view.
I think I am running out of room.
Regards

Are you still bumping your gums about the same old crap Wendy? Give it a rest. AA, AL, V arent the only ones that dont want to hear it. You're like a broken record.

Wrong Again

I am not Wendy.

If they are not fans thats ok with me.

That simply means myself and others are doing their job .

Working in conjunction with RSPCA QLD doesn't win fans no! but I will contiune to do the best I can.

I am sure despite the best efforts of those you mentioned many still support us

As you hold a different view on live exports than that of myself I think you should be aware I will not allow you to stop me posting.

Its hard for me to imagine how! you say you care about animal welfare but you support live exports.

Please dont write back your endless dribble about being raised on a farm. I was born on a farm!

The last I heard of you I recall I offered to make a donation towards your book you said you were writing teaching free range pig farming. You thanked me and told me you would get back when the time got closer.

So what I dont get is why the agro towards me now?

We have all heard of or seen the blind eye on four corners and the five page spread in the Australian Newspaper.

Much of which I agreed with.

The matter of brining Australias lack of animal welfare into the courts is a basic urgent requirment.

So who cares who doesnt like whom.

Lets just all think of the animals and make our comments positive ones towards brining about major improvements.

I would thank you if you dont mind to show some respect and manners and i will try to do likewise.
Good evening

Antje

PF. Nicky Suzzane Rex
Deary me I thought I might as well repond to your comments regarding AL AA V so at least the general public might understand the fundermental difference and to what I 'think' you are refering.

First of all AA to those whom do not know is Animals Australia, AL is Animal Liberation. V is voiceless.
These are all animal groups that work with PETA. PETA is a US based group that are fundimentally fund raisers of some 40 million or more dollars PA

They are basically all veg or vegan and they certainly do not approve of PALE as PF keeps pointing out.

PALE on the other hand are not veg but welcome veg members and encourage the reopening of abattoirs within Australia to faze out the live animal export trade as quickly as possible.

PALE works very closely with muslim leaders and RSPCA QLD. We beleive that RSPCA having a main stream view and being the legal body appointed within Australia have a far more sensible approach because they are not veg vegan but normal everyday Aussies.

We strongly support RSPCA which get up the noses of those trying to strip them of their powers.
We fight for more powers for the RSPCA and far far more inspectors with some enforable codes of practise.

It may be worth mentioning when pale first started the push to do something about live Animal Exports their leader Glencye informed me personally live exports were too political as did Animal liberation and they did not touch it.
So the bottom line here is for the animals sake its a good thing that pale kicked up such a fuss about that and now at least the Australian public know about the cruel live export trade.
To help the animals its important that veg and main stream work together.
So PF we will continue to flap our gums as you put it or whatever it takes to highlight animal cruelty and if AL AA or V have a problem that we enjoy a good steak- Tough.

PALE would be well advised to cease these defamatory remarks against two of the leading animal welfare groups in this country, Voiceless and Animals Australia.

As you say Wendy, they do not approve of you – speaks volumes about their good judgement.

And just when did you enjoy your last steak?? What a hypocrite. PALE are all veggies too.