Nicky

Two things we can do to help the Animals

The courts which I mentioned. Happy to run with A Ls info from other states[providing the evidence was obtained legally]


[2] Co joint ventures between farmers and overseas live animals importers. In order for both those to happen we need the report I mentioned. I have warned for years not to get farmers off side.

Pf I dont see that retraction?. RSPCA QLD and PALE are supporting Free Range Farmers. I sent you their new web page for the Support the Free Fange farmers Group. We also offered to make a donation towards your free Range pig farming book.?

Breaking Rural News : AGRIBUSINESS AND GENERAL

Legal net tightens on animal activists
Australia
Friday, 23 February 2007

Under new laws the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission will be able to sue groups where their protests cause loss or damage to small businesses such as farms.

To be introduced bythe Federal Treasurer, Peter Costello, the new laws will strengthen the secondary boycott provisions of the Trade Practices Act (1974).

They will allow the ACCC to bring representative actions on behalf of the businesses affected by protests.

VFF Livestock president, Ailsa Fox, welcomed the news and said although it won't be retrospective, has buoyed the livestock industry on the eve of the Federal Court action against animal activist, Ralph Hahnheuser, who sought to destabilise the live sheep trade by putting pork in sheep feedlot rations.

"Now it seems the tide is turning on activists' activities where they are accused of damaging the livelihoods of farming families minding their business and trying to earn an honest living."

"This is a great load off our shoulders. The ACCC's involvement is welcome because it will be much better equipped to pursue activists who threaten farm businesses.

"Until now, a brave few in the livestock industry have had to fight these costly battles to establish case law for the benefit of the many. Under these changes, the ACCC will be able to take up the gauntlet for everybody."

The Treasurer, Peter Costell

Yep, this should help stave off extreme welfare groups making a nuisance of themselves to genguine farming businesses :)

It is about time these groups were held as accountable for their actions as they see farmers they prey on should be.

Retraction PALE? - read my earlier post.

BTW - nowhere on any RSPCA site do they freely support free range farmers as Al & AA do.

Have a better look at the PALE site. No links on their pages either.

Nicky
I already explained we will put up the funds and silks. Prefer to leave legal aspect and causes of action to the experts.

As its been raised - background> In 2003 we had engaged two very heavy weight silks- One no less than the X Commissioner of Crimes QLD who is now a Judge.
The President Of AA whom I spoke with at that time was more than happy to assist the Qcs with briefs, background from all states.

It was Glencye who said no! they would not co operate with bringing on a federal case. We then invited them to QLD all expenses paid to meet the Legal team. It was refused and I have a three page letter here from Glencye explaining they couldnt come to QLD. Three weeks later she came but failed to make contact. All other groups were contacted. So you tell me. These are facts.
If "you" Nicky can get briefs from trusted contacts then we can finally move forwad. Not everything has! to be done through Glencye. Lets just help the animals .
For the record we had no concerns working with AA. We all joined it.
Until Glencye instructed groups not to work with pale.

Re PETA. The PETA women went on 60 minutes saying she wanted her "body parts "kept and BBQ later to raise money for animals. Her skin was to be burnt so people would say oh theres that animal woman!
No I dont thank her Nicky for God sake. Nor does any reasonable minded person who is working hard to try to bring farmers to the table regarding animal welfare.
The poor Animals!
It is a matter of record we have always tried to work with AA. Only by all working togrether can we help the animals.
If you can help get some briefs that would be a great step foward.
The past is the past so lets get on with it.
We must have main stream groups as well as veggies.
Above all we must all work together.

It's a sad day for Australia when the tentacles of the ACCC now have the power to gag free speech.

Does this mean that I am prevented from warning friends of the rotten fruit I regularly discover in my bag after visiting a super market? Or the block of cheese that's gone mouldy after 3 days in the fridge? Am I free to advise people not to shop at this supermarket?

What about the air we breathe, already privatised and polluted by large industries who are big donors to the Liberal Party? Am I at liberty to publically appeal against the actions of a specific serial polluter?

The gagging of truth and free speech will now extend not only to animal rights groups but environmentalists etc such as Greenpeace, the Wilderness Society and the Rainforest Action Network and the list will be large.

This is not only the saddest day for our hapless animals, but the ACCC's powers will also impact on those too who are currently rubbing their hands in glee at the "good news".

Since I am now better enlightened by debating on OLO, the pending extraordinary powers of the ACCC has simply instilled in me a will to further boycott all industries where the big end of town has influenced such a disgraceful decision to enact this legislation.

Of course, the big end of town will remain free to make ignorant commentary about those sufficiently courageous to object to this unethical and totalitarian piece of "reform."

Hi all
With the best will in the world, I find that I can't get hold of evidence that has been "legally obtained". The only legal material I know of is the live export material that Animals Australia got in the Middle East. So far as I know, evidence on battery hens/meat chickens/intensive pig farms was obtained by means of "trespass", although it remains to be seen whether any cases of such trespass actually proceed). And here, I'm afraid, PF, I have to take issue with you. I know how strongly you feel about your free-range pig farm/s so I don't really understand why you are concerned about this information being obtained in intensive pig farms by whatever means are available to Animal Liberation (whose members are really risking a lot by doing this). YOU are doing the right thing, so you would have nothing to fear from them.
Dickie, I'm with you about Costello's latest proposal; it is outrageous that taxpayers' funds should be used for such a purpose (although they are used to prop up the live export trade too). In the broadest sense it seeks to stifle public debate on pretty much anything that differs from the farmers', and therefore the government's views. The question is how to stop it, although the legislation will take a long time to actually implement and with a bit of luck the Howard government will be gone and Maxine McKew will have displaced the "great" man himself in his own electorate. I read somewhere that when Howard came to power, the federal public service was made up of people who stood by their apolitical stance, and gradually those people have been removed.
PALE, as for the interview with Ingrid Newkirk, that was a deliberately out of context series of comments, and "Sixty Minutes" was simply looking for a means to sensationalize and discredit her (where is Richard Carleton when you need him?). But whatever your differences with PETA and the others are, is it not worth trying to settle them?
Nicky

Dickie
We too are much richer for having you on OLO Your sense of fair play for animals is noted and your comments are always helpful.
I feel your anger but so long as there are fair minded people like you around this will only make us stronger. Sometimes in life when you think things could not get worse or more unfair the bastards actually do you a favour. Hopefully now we will all band together and if we have two to six volunteers from each suburb and town in Australia we will be even stronger. We will protest with our feet and by word of mouth every household in Australia will know what really goes on first hand.
As for Peters Bill I think its probably got teethe in the courts.
It takes away civil rights. The world wide publicty will hurt The Government and draw attention to Australias Animal Welfare. The Government have been beaten in court before so Peter your on!

You must have given up your push for PM because surely you can feel the contempt of people even those who couldnt even care less about animals. Thanks for the extra members. This will back fire in your faces peter, big time.
Its clear you see animal welfare people as a threat to stoop to such low unfair act.
Why dont you sort out the trade deals along with your mate Downer and Vaile and let us bring some staff into this country to train people to work in the abattoirs that can be built.?

Nicky Thanks ! [ will reply next post]

Everybody we do have some wonderful news for the Animals and I will post it next. You may recall that we were praying for a gentleman to be elected as President.
A kind person with great knowledge and a big interest to help divert live export to slaughter here in Australia.
A Good man