Oh yes suze, let's keep domestic violence hidden in the home. It's none of out business. Let those 2 kids fight it out. They're rich anyway aye.

H
And how is us waffling and speculating in Australia going to save/help the the two chips (or is that splinters? I guess it depends on their age).
And *you* call *me* pontificator? Talk about disingenuous rubbish!

When have I ever claimed to be genuine?

Just pushing the thread along pontificator, and highlighting the different attitudes to say... Greg Bird, and Tigers wife.

More generally the condoning of violence from a woman scorned. An extension of the valid and celebrated slap in the face in old Hollywood films. The celebrated 'spirited' plate throwing European woman, and the Oprah inspired 'you go girl', the bastard deserved it chant that is the subtext of the Tiger saga. Ah, I cant wait until Tiger and his Misses are on Oprah. Maybe they can get all 10 mistresses on there too! Oprah's desperately trying to make it happen you know. I think only Oprah or Dr Phil can really sort these two kids out.

If Tiger had attacked his wife with a golf club, no matter how many men she'd had affairs with, it would be a whole different attitude we'd be seeing. Violence against women is never accepted or acceptable in society, no matter what pynchme might say. Violence against men on the other hand, well... the closest to any outrage I can get out of the pynchme's and suze's is 'I didn't condone or approve it, but...' and 'let's not get hot under the collar' etc. So full of empathy for the attacked and outrage at the attacker they are when the genders are reversed.

Very curious about the 'rich' bit from suze too.

Anti
I a married so no is the answer to your question. Why are you so quick on the keyboard to use the term scrubbers to describe what you have said are 'most' women, yet find the term applied to men so abhorrent. Hyprocritical don't you think. You write on other issues articulately and appear to be intelligent yet you cannot see through your own bitterness towards women and how this sometimes taints your logic.

Generally I find people go for people like them, you can still be a scrubber even if you are top sports player. Most men are scrubbers - out for as much sex they can get - aren't they? Or am I generalising.

Houlley
I agree it would have been a whole different matter if it was Tiger who wielded the golf iron to his wife. He probably would have been arrested. It is true there is a double standard in these sorts of issues. Maybe it comes down to the the expectations we have towards men to be the stoic solid rocks who can take it as women are viewed as the weaker sex (physically). Perhaps there is an unreasonbale and unfair expectation that men could (or should be able to) defend themselves against a weaker attacker. I really don't know. Infidelity may throw people into a rage but it is not a valid excuse for physical violence.

Dear Antiseptic,

The words I quoted, "Money makes the world go
around," are (as you undoubtedly know) taken from the
musical - "Cabaret," set in Berlin in the 1930s.
It's a melancholy song - where the female protagonist
is wishfully wishing for love. And, as the song
implies money is the reason the world keeps
turning.
It basically means that our society relies heavily
on money. It's a factor in modern society's ability
to function.

As for what I would do if my husband was unfaithful...
Would I check his mobile phone messages?
Truthfully, I can't answer that question - because
that situation hasn't come up in my range of
experiences. How on earth could I tell you what I'd
do ahead of time?

As for what I think of Tiger's wife's actions?
I think I'll wait until all the facts are in.

Thank you pelican, that's all I'm sayin'.

I just note when a Greg Bird type thread starts, there is all this chanting from the fem brigade about the male posters' 'excusing' and not being outraged enough. Not enough denouncing the male gender and whipping ourselves for our sins and such.

Now I agree that speculation is pointless in any of these cases and I always argue nobody really knows the facts, and that the speculation says much more about the speculator via their imaginings of what went on. I laughed my ass off when a poster about the Brimble case started waxing lyrical about Brimble looking to find a nice man to love and detailing Brimble's feelings about what she expected out of the cruise. She apparently knew exactly what happened.

But if I speculate about any kind of mutual argument or say you never know what happened (I think I predicted right in the G.Bird case) in a gender thread about an NRL player that brings on calls of 'why wont you denounce this violence' type crap from the likes of pynchme and others. You'll often hear things such as 'Not one of you poor excuses for men..'. Nobody is ever outraged enough for the likes of pynchme, and any discussions of the broader picture of relationships and not judging without facts etc is translated as condoning or excusing the violence every time, or 'blaming the victim'.

So here, I return the favour. I wonder why pynchme and suze cant stand up and be counted as real women, and be outraged by this violence. Real women like pelican give me faith that the likes of pynchme and suze aren't representative of most of the women out there;-) (Heard anything like that before CJ? Though I don't think pelican is fishing for such grandiose appraisals as CJ normally is. Though it is funny how much it pisses antispectic off.)

BTW: I'm actually waiting for pynchme to come out saying the affairs are actually the 'domestic violence' and that she was just defending herself from this abusive man.