Is it any of our concern?
Maybe not but we buy the media that has Tiger in its spotlight.
Time and again my sport the NRL has suffered that spot light but surely it is human nature?
For men and women who are young fit and rich to enjoy all life has to offer.
I feel sorry for Tiger, his wife and maybe some of the publicity grabbing women involved but can never say it is not an every day thing for a great number of people.

Agree

It is no ones business, except those directly concerned.

imho men who are seen as "adulterous" are sometimes responding to something their wife is not doing.

Where the right or wrong or reasonableness of either party's behaviour lays cannot be assessed or judged remotely, only by understanding the individuals involved

and to be honest, I am not sufficiently interested in anyone elses life to want to know that level of detail about it.

And as so often happens, this whole "sensational disclosure" displays an unhealthy concern with cutting down tall poppies.

Belly

You seem to finally be making some progress. Adultery being human nature? Unfortunately you are right. Thank God there is Someone who can forgive and heal.

That's not very adventurous of you Col

>>and to be honest, I am not sufficiently interested in anyone elses life to want to know that level of detail about it.<<

How else would we get to enjoy all those wonderfully bad-taste jokes, involving everything from puns on "wood" to the clubbing of baby seals?

You are correct in pointing out that moral judgments are totally out of place when made on the flimsy foundations of tabloid journalism.

But surely you are not such a miserable curmudgeon that you can't rustle up a sly grin at some of the comments and observations that are strewn around along the way?

Sport is entertainment, after all. And sportspeople merely entertainers.

Pericles "But surely you are not such a miserable curmudgeon that you can't rustle up a sly grin at some of the comments and observations that are strewn around along the way?

Sport is entertainment, after all. And sportspeople merely entertainers."

I hope I am not a curmudgeon..

I will ask my wife..

she knows me best and we have no secrets from one another.

To Tiger.. yes a "woody" tends to be something which begs lewd comment of..

Not so sure of the "baby seal" .... unless you are refering to that well a Canadian winter sport, designed to utilise an already invested resource in the off season, a bit like the MCG and AFL.

I suppose I might be more inclined to take a sly swipe and grin if we found something juicy about St Kevin, same as the pious Evans and Kurnow to say nothing of what happened to Hawkes and Keatings marriages for that matter.

It seems, when it comes to extra marital dalliances, socialists lead well ahead of the liberals (Malcolm Frasers "trouser-gate" excepted).

So no... I feel sorry for Tiger, "bounder" that he might be.

He has always come across (to me at least) as a decent fellow and when decent fellows "play away from home" it is often because the "home fires" have gone out (one way or another).

Personally, I don't give a toss about the Woods's private business. It is up to them alone and who could possibly differentiate fact from fiction when it comes to the media frenzy.

Some men, as history shows, will stray regardless of how attentive their wives might be. This is usually just a worn out excuse dusted off to validate unfaithful behaviour. Oooh my wife doesn't understand me OR oooh my husband doesn't give me any attention.

I would imagine that celebrities would find the temptation too great at times and succumb to unscrupulous publicity seeking women who also hold no regard for the feelings of the wife and children.

Basically, if anyone has the urge to stray, just get a divorce and then you can do what you like, without the need for lies and keeping up a sham of a marriage.

Make that some men and some women:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/591383.stm

This is just another of the trashy 'love rat' stories that pass for news in the tabloid press and sell women's magazines.

Col I am pleased for you,true.
You say your new bride knows you best, you got a pearl there mate ,all in such a short time.
Not sure how us Socialists got in there, aware as I am you regard anyone left of Margret as such.
But I must have missed out, got no more than my conservative Friends.
I did say money and time helped maybe that is my excuse.
Basic instinct,that is my view of what it is, for both sex's some times.
Those who never stray and never have partner stray are very lucky.
Or just different?

Oh, that one, Col...

>>Not so sure of the "baby seal" ...<<

Q: What have Tiger Woods and baby seals in common?

A: They both get clubbed by Scandinavians.

Actually, my favourite is probably the simplest:

Q: What's the difference between a golf ball and an SUV?

A: Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball 400 yards.

Or maybe this one:

Q: How come Tiger Woods drove into a tree AND a fire hydrant?

A: He couldn't decide whether to hit the wood or the iron.

But you're right, it is not really any of our business.

Although with all those famous friends, someone should have warned him about i) leaving voicemails and/or text messages ii) having her number stored in your phone iii) deleting text messages as soon as they are read iv) the tendency of "cocktail waitresses" to be less than discreet when given the opportunity to sell their story for millions of dollars... and so on.

He's just a very silly boy.

Pericles,
Very funny.

All
I have to say, I neither feel sorry or condemnatory of him....I simply don't care it is non of my business, I wish it would stop cluttering up my TV and internet.A pox on the news editors who think it's news.

Dear Belly,

How could he resist? Here he is the
highest earning athlete, women throwing
themselves at him, and of course he wants
to have fun, party hard, with a girl on
either side, he's a guy who makes headlines.
He's "the man" of golf. Sponsors are lining
up for him.

He can do whatever he wants...
Right?

Tiger's fall from grace could cost him more than
just his dignity. Image is everything in
keeping his sponsors happy. And he's
got quite a bit to lose. Not counting the pay
out, if his wife sues for divorce. According to
a popular magazine his sponsors include -
Gatorade, AT&T Gillette, American Express and a
$30 million-a-year deal with Nike. His $10.5 million
prize at September's FedEx Cup put him over the
$1 billion mark.

"Poor Boy?"

Not yet.

Just because you are the world's best golfer it doesn't mean you cannot be beaten by your wife.

Wasn't Tiger lucky that when she teed off on his face it was only with the three iron?

Had his missus used a left-handed club he might have veered the other way and missed the hydrant.

More loft on the iron and Tiger's eyes could have seen the hazards in advance.

Clint Eastwood is upset about Elin's new "Make My Day" range of golf clubs. Even the putter is more lethal than Clint's .44. Next Dirty Harry movie will feature a holstered No1 wood, signed by Elin.

What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing.

George Clooney is trying to muscle in, claiming that he beats his publicist with a golf club. That could be George's well-hidden feminine side coming through. He shouldn't ask Elin for tips on how to iron balls though.

The plastic surgeon has made a public appeal to source a '57 Chevy Bel Air grille to rebuild Tiger's trademark smile. The medical team has knocked back Elin's wifely offer to panel beat, maybe with the sand wedge this time.

Foxy,

Old person's saying "If you choose to live at the top of a mountain, you should more careful about what you do, than a person in the valley"
E 33

In other words if you choose the riches, adoration etc of a celebrity, be aware that it can be taken away just as quickly. He chose the life style he has to accept the costs.

Dear examinator,

There's these two oldies as well:

"Try not to be a succes, but
rather try to become a man of value."

Or alternatively:

"Fame is vapour, popularity an accident,
riches take wings.
Only one thing endures, and that is character."

But my favourite is:

"He took his misfortune like a man -
he blamed it on his wife."

Great jokes Pericles. I love the way that they arise spontaneously in response to events that catch people's attention en masse.

Conversation at the pub tonight:

Harry: I hear Tiger Woods has changed his name.

Morgan: Oh yeah?

Harry: Yeah. He's now "Cheetah" Woods.

[Everybody laughs]

Morgan : I heard he said he didn't do it - I reckon he's "Lion" Woods.

[More laughter, then Pericles' jokes, almost verbatim)

Of course he's screwing around. He's an extremely wealthy, famous and attractive man in the prime of his life who is apparently doing just what he likes. And very good luck to him. Shame about the missus.

Unfortunately the media vultures have pounced, which is of course part of the territory that he occupies. I'm afraid I don't have a great deal of sympathy for him, and I guess his wronged but allegedly violent wife will end up OK out of the whole deal. Tiger will still be rich, young and gorgeous, and even more famous than he already is.

That's entertainment, folks :)

What will be most interesting is if it affects his golf.

"And very good luck to him. Shame about the missus."

Jolly good and what if he has acquired something nasty and infectious from his philandering that he has passed on to 'the missus' and possibly on to the children?

Then there was the risk that his affairs could bring shame and disruption to his family, with the further risk of divorce. But wait, that has happened hasn't it?

I go along with pelican, if a husband/wife wants to play the field, there is no need to cheat, just leave.

The infuriating, vexing thing in Tiger Woods' case is that of all the beautiful, cultivated and discreet women in the world he had to consort with scrubbers.

I'm not condoning his actions, Cornflower. He's a "star", and he's behaving according to script. The man's clearly a cad, but he can afford it.

The most interesting thing about Tiger Woods is his golfing prowess. Anything else is a sideshow.

Col Rouge

<< imho men who are seen as "adulterous" are sometimes responding to something their wife is not doing.

Where the right or wrong or reasonableness of either party's behaviour lays cannot be assessed or judged remotely, only by understanding the individuals involved >>

Yes, so why suggest that a man's infidelity is the fault of his wife?

Does your 'humble' opinion lead you to that conclusion, even though you acknowledge that judgements shouldn't be made 'remotely', but only by 'understanding the individuals involved'?

Bronwyn: I got a bit cranky at that old excuse being trotted out as well. From various observations over time I would say that having a wife can be very handy for a philanderer. Not only can they claim to be misunderstood, neglected or what-have-you when chatting up a prospect, but they can safely make all sorts of declarations of 'love' and rescind those when the liaison loses it's shine, by saying woefully that they have to stay with the old ball and chain after all (sake of the kiddies; or wife is crook or some such).

Anyway I feel neither pity nor admiration. I feel some for his wife of course because of the public betrayal and humiliation.

However, I actually feel incredibly annoyed at all these blabbing women. It occurred to me today that these people should be sued or something for breach of contract (or whatever charge could be suitable). The reason is that they entered into a liaison knowing he was married; they participated in clandestine activities to maintain secrecy that suited them at the time. Now there is this blabbing - causing further harm - just out of spite; revenge or greed.

Like that idjit who blabbed about bonking a pollie recently.

I think infidelity is a very sad biz; though I understand it can also be complex and sometimes people really do fall in love etc etc - humans are complex creatures creating complex relationships. However, I think that betraying a confidence, especially for selfish reasons, is really poor form.

The women should have to give all the money they've been paid to a charity or something.

Pericles:"someone should have warned him about i) leaving voicemails and/or text messages ii) having her number stored in your phone "

I took the train into the city on the weekend, something I do rarely. Plastered all over the station were posters in regard to domestic violence, indicating things that "he" might do that are regarded as violent or "controlling" (apparently, in Queensland "she" is never violent or "controlling"). One of the top 4 was "does he check your mobile phone calls?"

Tell me, Pericles, is Tiger's wife being "controlling"? If not, why not? If so, is it a case of domestic violence, as the Qld Government would have us believe, or is a suspicion of infidelity reasonable excuse?

Cornflower:"of all the beautiful, cultivated and discreet women in the world he had to consort with scrubbers."

LOL. Are there really so many of the former? In my experience, the "scrubber" is far more easily found and much more likely to possess the pair of round heels that seems to have been his major prerequisite.

there is an interesting qyestion that arises out of his efforts to buy off both the "scrubbers" and his wife. If his wife stays with him for the next few years solely because he offered her $55million, as reported, what does that say about her personal ethics? Does she become merely the world's most expensive prostitute or does she retain any part of her claim to the moral high ground?

Dear Antiseptic,

I believe they signed a Pre-Nup
prior to getting married - to
protect them both -
so I don't think money is going
to be an issue. It's his reputation
that's going to be on the line here.
However, that too may not be such
a big issue for his sponsors, as long
as Tiger's "game" isn't affected and he
can keep on winning.

"Money makes the world go around..."

(It can't buy happiness, but you can be
miserable in comfort).

Belly “Col I am pleased for you,true.
You say your new bride knows you best, you got a pearl there mate ,all in such a short time.”

Thankyou Belly

My wife and I are mirrors of one another. She knows me best because we think and behave the same.

They say opposites attract and we have all seen a lot of marriages like that

but my marriage is not one of “opposites” but one of “similars” to values/spirit/personality/aspirations/character etc. so much that it is spooky.

Neither of us is possessive nor controlling and we are both very secure within our selves that it relays into implicit trust in as well as love of one another.


Bronwyn “Yes, so why suggest that a man's infidelity is the fault of his wife?”


I made no such suggestion.


Like I said “Where the right or wrong or reasonableness of either party's behaviour lays cannot be assessed or judged remotely, only by understanding the individuals involved”

Which, makes no presumption of the “original fault” laying with either partner.


There are always plenty of opportunities for infidelity but the lying and deceit which accompanies it is what does the real harm. I dated one lady a long time ago, who had been unfaithful in her marriage (a long time before we met) and she was always suspicious / anxious that she too might be “cuckolded”.


The problem with cheaters is they are acutely aware / neurotic about being cheated on.


I would suspect, concerning Tiger Woods and cocktail waitresses, part of the problem was that he just did not duck quickly enough when she hurled herself at him.

Anyway Pericles.. I did chuckle over all those lines HA HA

Foxy your two liners are, likewise, appreciated

To add to the flavour of it all from another perspective:

what is a “Mistress”

What you find between a “Mister” and a Mattress

Pynchme

A thoughtful post, all of which I agree with, especially your reference to 'blabbing' women. Yes, anyone who plays a willing part in such subterfuge in the first place, is in no position to cry foul about the subsequent behaviour of the other partner. It smacks of money grabbing, attention seeking, petulance and pure desperation, though it is a different story I guess if the aggrieved party was truly led to believe the other partner in the liaison was unattached.

Antiseptic

<< Cornflower:"of all the beautiful, cultivated and discreet women in the world he had to consort with scrubbers."

LOL. Are there really so many of the former? In my experience, the "scrubber" is far more easily found and much more likely to possess the pair of round heels that seems to have been his major prerequisite. >>

I'm not at all surprised that 'cultivated and discreet' women seem to elude you. With the greatest of respect, your strident, simplistic and one-sided views regarding the opposite gender, would soon drive most thinking women into giving you a wide berth. :)

Col Rouge

<< Bronwyn “Yes, so why suggest that a man's infidelity is the fault of his wife?”

I made no such suggestion. >>

Ah, Col, so this ...

"imho men who are seen as 'adulterous' are sometimes responding to something their wife is not doing"

... is just you idly talking about the weather, is it?

What rubbish. Without any prompting whatever, you've very deliberately and very obviously put out the suggestion that women should share some blame for their partner's philandering.

Unless of course someone else put those words into your post. Silly me, I should have known. It happens all the time.

I like the way the tired old excuse for philandering always lays the blame at the foot of the wife or what might be missing at home. And the nugget "it doesn't mean I love you any less". Puleeeeeese spare us.

I agree about the blabbering women - equally no concern for any wife or kids that might be affected by their behaviour. Both parties are only thinking about the 'me'.

The reason why scrubber men go for the scrubbers is that I don't think they are thinking about cerebral discussions while pursuing an opportunistic roll in the hay. Like usually hangs out with like.

Bronwyn,

“What rubbish. Without any prompting whatever, you've very deliberately and very obviously put out the suggestion that women should share some blame for their partner's philandering.”

you are getting quite hysterical in what you possibly perceive is your opportunity to be self-righteous and admonish me

you even quoted, accurately, me as saying

“"imho men who are seen as 'adulterous' are sometimes responding to something their wife is not doing"”

I could have said “"imho and in my experience, women who are seen as 'adulterous' are sometimes responding to something their husband is not doing"

You see, upon reflection, I have known more women who have “played up” in their marriages than I have known men.

And of course, the all important word which, in your zealous efforts at demounting me, you must have overlooked

“Sometimes”,

not “Often”,,
nor “Most of the time” but

“Sometimes”

So I suggest you untwist your knickers,

do some deep breathing exercises,

go stroke your cat and listen to it purr for a few minutes

because, you are making a right wally of yourself by keeping up with your stupid efforts to find fault with what I have written.

pynchme,

'Anyway I feel neither pity nor admiration. I feel some for his wife of course '

Oh it doesn't surprise me at all you admire a husband basher.
Would you pity or admire a man who attacked his wife with a golf club for having an affair?

Actually, as I've asked you before, why do you think this situation never seems to occur with the genders reversed.

Do women in positions of power or with celebrity never cheat?
Is nobody interested if they do?
Are the men they have affairs with less likely to blab? even for money?

Does anyone think that these women coming forward are anything other than prostitutes?

Well there is rumour Elin had an affair herself. Tiger probably would not make too much of it as that would make him look worse. It is best not to judge relationship breakdowns. One never knows.

Houellebecq: I was referring only to infidelity; I wasn't thinking of the bashing at all.

The last I'd heard he'd denied it though I find it hard to believe that she didn't go for him with the club (now that you mention it).

I can understand anyone being upset by infidelity; that doesn't mean I approve of them attacking the other in revenge.

Please don't try to make an issue where I didn't create one.

Foxy:""Money makes the world go around...""

And what makes the money go around?

What about my questions that Pericles has ducked out on? Is Elin being "controlling" in checking his phone calls? Would you check your hubby's phone if you thought he might be jumping the fence? Do you think that is a "controlling" behaviour, or justified self-protective investigation?

Bronwyn, I'm sure your own heels have always remained determinedly triangular. We are all grateful.

Pelican:"scrubber men go for the scrubbers"

Screwed a lot of billionaire sportsmen recently? Thought not...

What an awful subject this post is! For a start no one knows the whole story of this domestic dispute except Mr and Mrs Woods.

No one really knows if Elan smacked Tiger or if he had sex with any other woman or not- at least not yet. It is only human nature though for some people to speculate of course.

I wouldn't get too hot under the collar about either of these rich people until we hear from their mouths what the true story is.

Even then, I am not sure if I even care anymore. My husband is a golf fanatic, and all he wants to know is when Tiger will be back on the greens again!

Oh yes suze, let's keep domestic violence hidden in the home. It's none of out business. Let those 2 kids fight it out. They're rich anyway aye.

H
And how is us waffling and speculating in Australia going to save/help the the two chips (or is that splinters? I guess it depends on their age).
And *you* call *me* pontificator? Talk about disingenuous rubbish!

When have I ever claimed to be genuine?

Just pushing the thread along pontificator, and highlighting the different attitudes to say... Greg Bird, and Tigers wife.

More generally the condoning of violence from a woman scorned. An extension of the valid and celebrated slap in the face in old Hollywood films. The celebrated 'spirited' plate throwing European woman, and the Oprah inspired 'you go girl', the bastard deserved it chant that is the subtext of the Tiger saga. Ah, I cant wait until Tiger and his Misses are on Oprah. Maybe they can get all 10 mistresses on there too! Oprah's desperately trying to make it happen you know. I think only Oprah or Dr Phil can really sort these two kids out.

If Tiger had attacked his wife with a golf club, no matter how many men she'd had affairs with, it would be a whole different attitude we'd be seeing. Violence against women is never accepted or acceptable in society, no matter what pynchme might say. Violence against men on the other hand, well... the closest to any outrage I can get out of the pynchme's and suze's is 'I didn't condone or approve it, but...' and 'let's not get hot under the collar' etc. So full of empathy for the attacked and outrage at the attacker they are when the genders are reversed.

Very curious about the 'rich' bit from suze too.

Anti
I a married so no is the answer to your question. Why are you so quick on the keyboard to use the term scrubbers to describe what you have said are 'most' women, yet find the term applied to men so abhorrent. Hyprocritical don't you think. You write on other issues articulately and appear to be intelligent yet you cannot see through your own bitterness towards women and how this sometimes taints your logic.

Generally I find people go for people like them, you can still be a scrubber even if you are top sports player. Most men are scrubbers - out for as much sex they can get - aren't they? Or am I generalising.

Houlley
I agree it would have been a whole different matter if it was Tiger who wielded the golf iron to his wife. He probably would have been arrested. It is true there is a double standard in these sorts of issues. Maybe it comes down to the the expectations we have towards men to be the stoic solid rocks who can take it as women are viewed as the weaker sex (physically). Perhaps there is an unreasonbale and unfair expectation that men could (or should be able to) defend themselves against a weaker attacker. I really don't know. Infidelity may throw people into a rage but it is not a valid excuse for physical violence.

Dear Antiseptic,

The words I quoted, "Money makes the world go
around," are (as you undoubtedly know) taken from the
musical - "Cabaret," set in Berlin in the 1930s.
It's a melancholy song - where the female protagonist
is wishfully wishing for love. And, as the song
implies money is the reason the world keeps
turning.
It basically means that our society relies heavily
on money. It's a factor in modern society's ability
to function.

As for what I would do if my husband was unfaithful...
Would I check his mobile phone messages?
Truthfully, I can't answer that question - because
that situation hasn't come up in my range of
experiences. How on earth could I tell you what I'd
do ahead of time?

As for what I think of Tiger's wife's actions?
I think I'll wait until all the facts are in.

Thank you pelican, that's all I'm sayin'.

I just note when a Greg Bird type thread starts, there is all this chanting from the fem brigade about the male posters' 'excusing' and not being outraged enough. Not enough denouncing the male gender and whipping ourselves for our sins and such.

Now I agree that speculation is pointless in any of these cases and I always argue nobody really knows the facts, and that the speculation says much more about the speculator via their imaginings of what went on. I laughed my ass off when a poster about the Brimble case started waxing lyrical about Brimble looking to find a nice man to love and detailing Brimble's feelings about what she expected out of the cruise. She apparently knew exactly what happened.

But if I speculate about any kind of mutual argument or say you never know what happened (I think I predicted right in the G.Bird case) in a gender thread about an NRL player that brings on calls of 'why wont you denounce this violence' type crap from the likes of pynchme and others. You'll often hear things such as 'Not one of you poor excuses for men..'. Nobody is ever outraged enough for the likes of pynchme, and any discussions of the broader picture of relationships and not judging without facts etc is translated as condoning or excusing the violence every time, or 'blaming the victim'.

So here, I return the favour. I wonder why pynchme and suze cant stand up and be counted as real women, and be outraged by this violence. Real women like pelican give me faith that the likes of pynchme and suze aren't representative of most of the women out there;-) (Heard anything like that before CJ? Though I don't think pelican is fishing for such grandiose appraisals as CJ normally is. Though it is funny how much it pisses antispectic off.)

BTW: I'm actually waiting for pynchme to come out saying the affairs are actually the 'domestic violence' and that she was just defending herself from this abusive man.

Maybe it is my age, but it has been a while from my last par round.
Tiger handles his clubs very well, all of them.
And often those who play with him seek out his company, money?
Foxy it is the joy of the game that brings us to play not cash.
ten? gee in truth it would be more would it not?
Great round again tiger thank the caddy's, now it may be time for the tips.

Dear Belly,

Read my post again - I was talking about
Tiger's sponsors - (not his love of
the game).

To all the old boys rushing in to use Tiger as a male victim poster boy for all these violent women bashing men wholeheartedly out there in the world, we don't even have confirmation that he was actually bashed by his wife yet do we?

All we have proof of is a car accident and some head injuries, that may well have been caused in the accident couldn't it?

Again, no one, least of all me, condones any violence at all.

I mentioned the riches these two have amassed only because if they weren't rich and famous, no one would even hear about their alleged disputes would they?

We also don't know if he actually cheated on his wife either, although reports today that the wife has moved out of home doesn't sound too good.
Maybe she was moved out to protect Tiger? :)

pelican, "Most men are scrubbers - out for as much sex they can get - aren't they? Or am I generalising."

The stereotype might have truth for some men, but to apply it to all men would be as unfair as saying that all women are scrubbers because of the behaviour of Pumas and Cougars.

The BBC survey I linked to earlier challenged the myth that men are always the love rats who don't have 'commitment' and stray. Apparently just as many women in serious relationships like a bit on the side as well. As said in the article, it takes two to tango.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/591383.stm

Oh Suze, I remember using that very same argument with the Greg Bird case and many other cases, bringing on cries of 'you're excusing violence','be a man and denounce this guy', 'where is your empathy'.

You certainly show zero 'empathy' for Tiger even if it is true his wife attacked him with a golf club. You may not 'condone' the violence, but you really don't show any empathy or outrage, which is the accusation levelled at all those nasty 'misogynists' on any gender war thread to do with NRL cases and such when they talk about what is 'proven'.

Houellebecq: Well I've never seen you even say you don't condone some violent act against a woman. Quite the opposite; you actively minimize; discount and laugh at it like a delirious juvenile pulling wings off flies.

That you can say you "laughed my ass off" at any aspect of Ms. Brimble's death is disturbing and it actually made me sad. Whatever POV one takes about the culpability of people who were involved in that event; she was a living person for whom others are grieving. Nobody deserves the indignities she suffered as she died.

Btw: As Sharkfin noted, please at least show Ms. Brimble the minimum of respect that she was denied at her death by referring to her as MRS Brimble; Ms Brimble or Diane Brimble.

Our previous discussion:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9684&page=8

Summary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Dianne_Brimble

Detailed account with witness testimony:
http://www.cruisebruise.com/Dianne_Brimble.html

Also, please don't put words in my mouth. I can make enough controversial statements on my own account without you fantasizing things I haven't said, but which suit your uninformed, preconceived notions of a feminist perspective.

pynchme,

Aren't you the champion of misrepresentation and baseless accusations. Good work! I like your style.

'That you can say you "laughed my ass off" at any aspect of Ms. Brimble's death'

I laughed my ass off at the imaginative emotive fiction put up as fact by another poster, not at any aspect of Ms. Brimble's death.

'actively minimize; discount and laugh at it'
Example?

Anything like suze's 'Big strong unfaithful Tiger is well able to look after himself and doesn't need all the women-haters of the world feeling sorry for him and his little wounds- poor baby!'. I notice you make no comment on that at all.

Oh, that's right, he's a man. A typical cheating one aye... 'Maybe all the years of 'princes' screwing around has killed any fairytale romantic notions females once had.'
I laugh my ass off again at your bitterness.

I note that you posted a link to my story. I'm sure you're too thick to understand as sharkfin was but it was merely to mirror back to her the use of imaginative emotive fiction.

BTW: Please refer to Tiger as Mr Woods please, to Bush as Mr George Bush, and I would now like to be addressed as Sir Houellebecq.

Sorry foxy, knew what you meant just being a smart bottom.
And I am enjoying this thread, remember the NRL my game and that long thread.
And still we refuse to see it is indeed human instinct, for some more than others.
Women and men no more one sex than another.
Cash however is far better attractant than anything I know.
We know, each of us, we should try for total commitment with one lifetime partner, and that true happiness can come from just that.
But many fail, it is from religion not nature we get that idea.
And nature drives some to seek many partners.
Tiger fit rich young, brilliant in fact in his sport, has been hunted by some hunter of others so if it is wrong both sides knew it.
Can any one here claim not to be able to name one female celebrity who is no different than Tiger?
No way his wife is to blame, surely if she is not having sex he would leave her?
And yes I truly think he should have known better, did wrong even, in his place, face it, I would be no different.
Bloke down the road can proberly say he has had hundreds of one night stands.
A woman not far away too, unable to name some, but we are not ripping them apart, see they are just normal people.

Oh come on Houellebecq, from what all the men on this post have been saying, IF Mrs Tiger did actually want to beat the c##p out of her loving husband, then he would be violently attacked by several golfclubs while he cowered, screaming in terror, covered in blood, with several splintered bones.

Then, after this violent assault, he drags himself out to the car and drives down his driveway and crashes it, while she continues to beat him through the window!

I don't think so! Could't you guys find someone more deserving to prove your cause than Tiger? We are all aware that both women and men can be violent towards each other. The difference is that we don't need to use celebrities that may or may not have been victims of domestic violence to prove or disprove our point.

There are plenty of victims of both gender out there in the local community. Why don't you reserve your pity for the real, proven victims?

Come suzeonline you tilt at windmills, just as Tigers actions are human nature to talk about them is too.
Your defense of women is commendable, even true, but it comes from your views of what is right or wrong.
Tigers actions , his cheating partners too, come from our basic survival instincts.
Mating with the best partner strong young good liking and best provider [cash?] is something some instinctively will continue to do.
Look deeper into the reasons we act like this, know ideas of sexual equality have nothing to do with these events.
I doubt Tiger used anyone who did not wish to be used, in fact some of the women who have come forward, you can bet on it, have never been closer than a TV screen to him.
And in balance I am sure you will agree men make such unlikely claims daily too.
The story for me is not about male vs female, it truly is about a basic instinct, some can not control, a whole lot of contributors will put Christ in the picture I understand we often resemble a group of monkeys and understand why we do so.

Onya Belly: everyone is here because someone had sex with another human being of the opposite sex. It goes on all the time, and somehow we take a lurid interest in who is doing what to whom. Smelly Peter Spencer sitting unbathed and unfed on top of a tower near Canberra thinks our legal system stinks.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3291

We have a new Premier in New South Wales because some Aussie men are attractive to some women from elsewhere in the world, and it was considered impossible that Nathan Rees would be reelected. Sex pervades everything. Men attract women, women look for the best possible male father for their children, and the whole of society benefits. A Japanese girl meets an Aussie male, and they have beautiful children. Some of the most attractive children are born of mixed race matings.

God did not make a mistake when he created men and women. We travel better in tandem. He does not make mistakes, and you ought to get your mate Julia Gillard to take a hike up the mountain at Shannon’s Flat, before Tony Abbott beats her to it. Your other hero is strutting the world stage, so Julia is top dog right now.

Peter Spencer has got nothing against the climate change activists but is right royally annoyed that he and thousands of other farmers, all over Australia are expected to pay for Australia’s high moral ground. The un-holy alliance between John Howard and the Labor State Premiers allowed this to happen. John Howard is history. He is also right royally annoyed at the complete and utter destruction of the legal system, by the Liberals, and the fact that Labor has so far refused to correct the situation.

It could not have happened except for the collusion between Labor and Liberals but the collusion caused the good legislation passed by Paul Keating’s government to be ignored for eleven and a half years, and only Divine intervention by three votes, gave a Christian leadership of the Australian Labor Party. Only one vote, caused the Abbott, to become Leader of the Opposition

'There are plenty of victims of both gender out there in the local community. Why don't you reserve your pity for the real, proven victims?'

Like Greg Bird's partner?

Isn't the mass media great?

It introduces us to an extraordinary array of
people who are "known" only indirectly: sports
figures, politicians, authors, columnists,
talk-show hosts, newscasters. musicians,
and even ordinary people interviewed in
eyewitness news reports.

"Celebrities" seem to fascinate many of us.
They often become "known" in an emotional
sense; members of the mass audience follow
the events of their lives, mimic their styles
of dress and sometimes behaviour, and even
(especially in the case of teen idols) imagine
they're in love with them.

So, it's no wonder that the private life
of a sports figure like Tiger Woods attracts
so much media attention and comment.

What I'm finding interesting is how divisive
this issue is becoming. There seems to be two
camps. One blames Tiger for his infidelity,
another seems to be more interested in whether
this will affect his golf-playing ability.

It's interesting that when David Letterman (US
talk-show host) confessed to his infidelity on
his TV show - "Yep, I did it." He simply moved
on, and the audience did also.

I wonder why Tiger isn't able to do the same?
Perhaps, because the number of ladies Tiger's had
relationships with - seems to be
increasing? And he can't claim that it was simply
a "one of..." mistake. (Like a bank robber complaining
at being mugged?).

Perhaps for Christmas Tiger needs to ask for some
golf clubs that have extra padding on them?

I had missed your question, antiseptic.

>>Tell me, Pericles, is Tiger's wife being "controlling"? If not, why not? If so, is it a case of domestic violence, as the Qld Government would have us believe, or is a suspicion of infidelity reasonable excuse?<<

Although quite why a) you ask me specifically and b) it gets your knickers in a twist...

>>What about my questions that Pericles has ducked out on? Is Elin being "controlling" in checking his phone calls? Would you check your hubby's phone if you thought he might be jumping the fence? Do you think that is a "controlling" behaviour, or justified self-protective investigation?<<

...is beyond me.

But I think I'll defer to Peter the Believer for the answer to your questions.

>>It could not have happened except for the collusion between Labor and Liberals but the collusion caused the good legislation passed by Paul Keating’s government to be ignored for eleven and a half years, and only Divine intervention by three votes, gave a Christian leadership of the Australian Labor Party. Only one vote, caused the Abbott, to become Leader of the Opposition<<

There you are. Game set and match. Thanks Pete.

From the original post Pericles is confused about:

Pericles:"someone should have warned him about i) leaving voicemails and/or text messages ii) having her number stored in your phone "

Me:"I took the train into the city on the weekend, something I do rarely. Plastered all over the station were posters in regard to domestic violence, indicating things that "he" might do that are regarded as violent or "controlling" (apparently, in Queensland "she" is never violent or "controlling"). One of the top 4 was "does he check your mobile phone calls?"

Tell me, Pericles, is Tiger's wife being "controlling"? If not, why not? If so, is it a case of domestic violence, as the Qld Government would have us believe, or is a suspicion of infidelity reasonable excuse?"

Pericles:"Although quite why a) you ask me specifically and b) it gets your knickers in a twist..."

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

Perhaps Peter the Believer is indeed an appropriate authority for you to be quoting...

Well PTB I can help, if your mate whats his name up that tree takes a leaf out of Tigers book.
Say installs a bed?
He may get in the headlines, doubt it, he will get hungry few will even know
Tiger must have wanted to get caught leaving those on his phone but he after all is only acting out his ancestors breeding habits.

When Yamamoto sent out his aircraft to bomb Pearl Harbour, he issued a warning to his superiors, Beware the sleeping tiger. They did not listen, and the tiger that was the United States eventually saved Australia from a Japanese invasion. This tiger still has fangs.

There are other tigers in the jungle though. Two come to mind, India and China and these tigers are growing to be ever increasingly important. Fortunately for us, they are so far sleeping tigers, not militantly seeking to expand their land mass nor able to yet equal the military might of the United States.

The other tiger that has been asleep is the Christian tiger in Australian politics, a tiger that both political parties want to keep quietly in bed. Turnbull and Nelson failed to appreciate the might of this retiring tiger. Currently a prisoner of conscience has placed himself about sixty up a Wind Measuring Tower, about five thousand feet above sea level, at Shannon’s Flat, just south of Canberra, and is lying in a very uncomfortable bed. His name is Peter Spencer and he is about seventeen days into a hunger strike, with the express intention of restoring the Christian Rule of Law, we used to have in Australia.

If reports published on the prime news media ( the World wide web) can be believed, Kevin Rudd’s office does not want to know about it, Julia Gillard has no idea what to do, and the Australian Federal Police have been asked to look into the situation. They have a bit of a problem. Helicopters cannot come anywhere near Peter Spencer, because there is about 250 metres of steel tower above him. Heavy cranes would have to negotiate some very rugged and dangerous country farm roads, to access his platform, so the best solution is to talk him down.

Probably the best person to talk him down would be the Governor General Herself, the Chief Executive Officer of Australia. As Commander in Chief, she has the resources and holds an apolitical position of great power. Just as Sir John Kerr did in 1975

Her Excellency The Governor General called on Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second in London, and even though she was allocated an hour, the two most powerful women in Australia’s political life, spent over two hours together. The Royal Identifiers are not a tiger, but the Lion and the Unicorn, with a little Lion of Judah, with a Crown on his head, that used to adorn all Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

As the Sovereign and Chief Delegate, both are the Chief Magistrate of Australia, if the Oxford Dictionary is to be believed, and English is still the language of government and the law. One only becomes Chief Magistrate when she is present physically in Australia, but the other is present all the time. This is a Christian system, lifted directly out of the New Testament and in Christian terms, the Queen in Her Majesty, represents Almighty God. This by the way is all written down, and finds its practical application in the Australian Constitution.

In the Supreme Court Building in New South Wales at Queens Square, is a large Lion and Unicorn, minus the Lion of Judah. On the windows and glass doors of the Downing Centre, the Magistrates and District Courts of Sydney, are engravings of the Royal Identifier with the Lion of Judah, because until 1970, New South Wales was a Christian State, and the Royal Prerogative of Justice, was available, not at the whim of any State appointed public servant, but after due process of law, in a properly constituted Ch III Court. The sleeping tiger, the great sixty five percent of Australians who are Christian, must wake up, and their Champion, the self professed Anglican Prime Minister, who made promises to 200,000 Christians before the last election, must come home and attend to Australian business.

Australia has come a long way since 1970. New South Wales is a basket case, Queensland is getting to be that way, and Victoria has destroyed most of its productivity, because the Christian tiger has been asleep. The Alarm Clock is ringing, and Peter Spencer is its bell

When a naked screaming Vietnamese girl, with her back burned off by American napalm, appeared on the front pages of Newspapers, the end of the Vietnamese war was inevitable. Reflecting the moral outrage of Australian Christians, Gough Whitlam rose to power on a promise to recall Australian troops. That was1972.

One person, is all Almighty God needs to work political miracles. The great heresy that the majority is always right, has been continually challenged by Christianity, and when the fundamental principles taught by that great Jewish Rabbi, Jesus Christ are no longer applied, individuals suffer, and society breaks down.

Australia has a Style Manual, an official document under the Great Seal of Australia, that sets out the form and substance of every official document. On page 300 of the Sixth Edition, 2002, It says that representatives of the Queen in Australia use Royal Identifiers. To use them requires permission, from the Official Secretary of the Governor General. The Supreme Court in New South Wales used to have one as its Seal, but now does not. Peter Spencer will probably not willingly come down from his perch, until it and all it stands for is restored

It follows, that permission not to identify with the Royal Prerogative, and to fail to use Royal Identifiers when these Seals are required, if not clearly obtained, is fraudulent.

There should be a Royal Identifier on every Act of Parliament because S 22 of the Australian Courts Act 1828 required three steps before an Act became law. The first was that it be passed by the Parliament, the second was that it receive the Royal Assent, and the third step, was that it be enrolled in the Supreme Court and that a Royal Identifier be affixed to it so that it became the law of the land. Without a Royal Identifier, no law, and no regulation is valid. A copy of S 22 Australian Courts Act 1828 is posted here for your information. http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=520 The true seat of all power is a Supreme Court with 12 democratically selected representatives of you, the people in it

You can tell when a thread is dead.
Peter the believer or a number like him roar in with junk posts like those.
Nothing even remotely to do with the thread.
Pure rule breaching diversion, for what purpose?
I have refrained from trying to start a thread about it,but.
It seems we, well some of us, are intent on having our views heard, even if we only sneak them in to threads they do not fit.
Tiger Woods now is leaving the sport he was the best ever in, maybe for good.
Yes he betrayed his wife, himself too, just maybe his unwise actions , not doing more to hide his actions, is a form of wanting to brag about his actions.
Keeping such secretes impossible for some, self damages the result, another human basic instinct showing off.
Is his so called crime so bad? truly ?

I went looking for a Royal Identifier, on a copy of the Holy Bible. I have three Bibles, one published in 1829 by Samuel Bagster, and dedicated to the King, one published in the United States by Nelson and Co, and one published by Cambridge. The first two have no Royal Identifier, because Cambridge have a Royal Commission to produce official authorized Bibles. It was only after reading the Australian Style Manual that I realized the significance of the Royal Seal.

Representatives of the Queen must have a Royal Identifier, and the Police have one in the form of a Crown. The Authorised King James Version of the Holy Bible, with the Royal Seal, is available at the Bible Society Bookshop in Clarence Street Sydney. In sixteen years of study, I have never before been aware that the Holy Bible is officially incorporated into the law of the land, by the use of a Seal, and that that Seal, used to be mandatory to be affixed upon all laws, by a Supreme Court.

By affixing that Seal on the Holy Bible the Sovereign made all Churches into law schools. This was absolutely approved by the Parliament of the Commonwealth, and recognized as law by the High Court as recently as July 2009, when S 15A Acts Interpretation Act 1901 ( Cth) was mentioned in the Pape decision. Anything against the Constitution is not law, and the Holy Bible was adopted as the English Constitution.

If you have already checked out the Australian Courts Act 1828 S 24 then go and have a look at the Royal Prerogative, published here, from Halsbury’s Laws of England Third Edition. http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=466

All Judges and Magistrates should have and display a Royal Identifier. If Peter Spencer is promised a Royal Identifier will be affixed to each and every Court Order including a summons, served upon not just himself but on each and every Australian, affected by government, then he can come down from the Tower of Hope, and enjoy the festive season. There is a law in Victoria, Australia that says all substitutes are void

That's just weird, antiseptic.

>>Pericles:"someone should have warned him about i) leaving voicemails and/or text messages ii) having her number stored in your phone "

Me:"I took the train into the city on the weekend, something I do rarely. Plastered all over the station were posters in regard to domestic violence, indicating things that "he" might do that are regarded as violent or "controlling" (apparently, in Queensland "she" is never violent or "controlling"). One of the top 4 was "does he check your mobile phone calls?"

Tell me, Pericles, is Tiger's wife being "controlling"? If not, why not? If so, is it a case of domestic violence, as the Qld Government would have us believe, or is a suspicion of infidelity reasonable excuse?"

Pericles:"Although quite why a) you ask me specifically and b) it gets your knickers in a twist..."

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?<<

Errrr... I still don't get the connection between my remark, and your confrontation with a poster.

And why my lack of interest in your waffle should indicate impaired mental process on my part, is an even greater mystery.

Perhaps you should take that train more often. Broaden your perspective a little.

Trains yes a long slow journey, for some.
PTB You know don't you?
It s not about God either.
And I think ,not unlike at least one other you find dieing threads to shout your messages down the empty hall way.
Seeking a reward in heaven? or just earning browny points by saying it?
Tiger at least for a time lived the good life, he now will pay for it.

The lurid interest in the personal lives of others, particularly the sex and personal lives of the rich and famous, is a distraction deliberately designed to dumb down the general population, and take their minds off important things like survival, the delivery of justice, good government and the promotion of peace.

Tiger in bed is a post topic that is not confined to a good golfer whose privacy and reputation has been invaded, whose civil rights abused, and whose name is a household word worldwide. However we should go behind the reason why he is being denigrated. Could it be to stop us examining serious questions, that the lurid press seeks out salacious stories, with a view of using one of the proverbs, Gossip is delicious, how we love to swallow it.

While we are distracted by Tiger and the Hareem who voluntarily came forward to claim a piece of his fame, we lose sight of the fact that Rudd is strutting the world stage, seeking to use Australian money to buy favor with enough little countries, to give him a career after he loses the Australian Prime Ministers job. A week in politics is a long time.

There is a crisis in Australia starting with New South Wales, followed by Queensland, and Victoria, and it all starts with the Labor Party. Unless Kevin Rudd comes home and tends his own backyard, the Christian centre that the Liberals thought was rusted on, will do its earthquake shift again and 23 seats will swing right again. Mr Belly will not be pleased.

There are an enormous number of good people in the Labor Party. There are a lot of good people in the Liberal Party, but some absolute rotters too. Rotters and rorters are not a lot different, and unless Kevin Rudd comes home, or gets someone to get Peter Spencer down from his tower of hope, Tony Abbott could do it for him. Julia is looking after the home while the Climate Change hero is attempting to wangle a deal in Copenhagen. She ought to know what to do

This you tube presentation, on a man who says give me justice or give me death, is not as salacious as the Tiger story, but it was enough to get onto a Current Affair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBQxfVy4zSI
Go have a look and if you know Julia Gillard, suggest she buys or gets from the Parliamentary Stationary Office, a copy of the official Australian Style Manual. In it she will find on Page 300 that Royal Identifiers are required. The nine de-facto Republics established after 1986, can not and do not use Royal Identifiers on their legislation, and have been sailing under the Flag of Convenience, of the Council of Australian Governments, as if that was the highest council in Australia.

Judges and Magistrates are not producing Royal Identifiers because they cannot, and because of that Australia is a fractured, divided, sad little country of 21 million people, sixty five percent of whom claim to be Christians. In Julia’s home State Victoria, there are Royal Identifiers on the Seals the Supreme Court uses, and at Cambridge Publishers, 477 Williamstown Road Port Melbourne the only source of the Holy Bible with a Royal Identifier in it is situated.

Belly will not like it, and Sharon Burrow may not be pleased, but if they had insisted on a Royal Identifier being affixed to the Work Choices legislation, by an independent and freely convened Supreme Court, as required by s 22 of the Australian Courts Act 1828, the separation of powers in the Australian Constitution would have struck out most of its draconian penalties, and if Julia Gillard seeks a Writ in the name of Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second from either the Supreme Court in Western Australia or the Supreme Court in Melbourne, with a view of giving Peter Spencer a day in a real court, he will probably come down.

There were a thousand arrests in Copenhagen, on television last night. Tiger Woods is still in the limelight, but there are more important things than Tiger’s love life happening. One of those important things is to reestablish the Commonwealth, and Labor should do it

I don't get it. OLO regulars will happily spend their days composing swipes at each other, yet many seem reluctant to write anything that sounds judgemental of someone who lives half a world away, will never know what we all think of him and has committed adultery on the largest imaginable scale.

Benk sorry but I just do not get the point of your post.
Yes we swipe at one another, but the thread got a fair bit of interest just as the subject did in the media.
Is it truly wrong to snipe? to be human in print as well as real life?
Maybe more likely, see the very first rule of the forum, the one we see on beginning to post, is do not divert threads.
I only came back to observe PTB and the latest lurch into new territory.
But truly while it is your right to express your views they baffle me.

Hi Benk.

Benk: <"... many seem reluctant to write anything that sounds judgemental of someone who lives half a world away, will never know what we all think of him and has committed adultery on the largest imaginable scale.">

Well I don't mind saying that I disapprove of adultery. However:

1. I also understand that life and relationships get complicated and that we can't know everything about other people's business.

2. I don't really think this is one of the exceptions because he seems to have duped quite a lot of people. It's not like he had one lover on the side but instead it seems he has been an habitual cheat and liar. Having said that; adultery isn't against the law these days. Therefore although we might go - tch oh dear norty boy! - we needn't crucify him over it or cause his family more distress. The media are actually causing more harm I think (as are the blabbing women involved).

3. I don't think this is the largest scale or even all that unusual. Like all of those travelling salesmen type jokes that most of us understand had to come from somewhere - some shared understanding about reality. It isn't only single blokes frequenting strip clubs and brothels. Is porn an adulterous activity ? - some would say yes; some would say no. I am not sure. What do you think ?

Anyway, if it isn't all that unusual I don't think we'll find many people who can in good conscience condemn him too harshly.

Maybe all of us need to reflect a bit on what our values are.

Belly,
my point is that there seems to be a question about our priorities. We will rip into someone because they have written something that we do-not like, yet we seem reluctant to say anything critical of Tiger when his behaviour seems to be worse and in any case, he will never know what we say anyway.

Pynchme,

I agree that we cannot know everything that happens in other people's marriages. However, I like the expression "marriage is a celebration of all that we should be." While many people struggle with fidelity, lets not abandon it as an ideal. Cheating is one of the most hurtful things that people ever do.

Benk: <" I like the expression "marriage is a celebration of all that we should be." While many people struggle with fidelity, lets not abandon it as an ideal. ".

Benk thanks for that - that quote is very special.

I agree with you.

Well said benk and Pynchme.

Fidelity, commitment and respect are all part of the marriage ideal. No marriage is perfect but if we don't at least strive for the best in marriage,where does that leave us. Do we just throw our hands in the air and say well it is normal to cheat, it happens all the time why don't we just all go out and cheat.

Dustin Hoffman once said when interviewed that he has had many opportuntities to cheat and of course there is temptation all around, but he never did for one reason only, he loved his wife and did not want to hurt her.

That is what marriage should be about - not about self but about what you can contribute to a relationship. If we all thought more about what we give rather than what we take - lose the sense of self without losing the 'self' - what a better way of honouring the commitment of marriage.

I don't mean to sound too Pollyanna, but cheating with a veritable bevy of women is probably not part of what most expect in the marriage contract.

If one spouse feels they cannot honour the contract it is probably time to leave and allow the other to form a more worthy attachment.

Any good and upright man or woman we would like to think agrees.
A wedding is a commitment forever.
I truly think that is what it should be.
However let us not kid ourselves many both sex's do not.
Can any of us, who have not lived life under a rock, say they never knew a tiger woods type, women and man?
Are we to infer tigers sin was worse than his partners?
Both sides knowingly betrayed tigers family.
It is surely a basic instinct for some to behave this way.
As it is, see the number of posts, to talk about it headlines keep coming, we are just about sick of the whole mess, but right or wrong Tiger keeps some of my respect, he came out of no place to be the worlds best.
Maybe he could not handle it, but I hope he returns to golf, he can expand his record and he should.

Hmmm, there could be some good come out of it. Maybe it could herald the start of a new tradition of giving the bride-to-be the gift of a golf club at her bridal shower. Start her with a mid-range 5 iron, perhaps? Then a game of whacking a pig-shaped pinata for luck and to remind spouses to avoid temptation.

Tiger? He will be back for the Masters because he is golf's biggest draw card.

Fun nee, well not really we would then have to give just as many men the same right to flog wayward wives.
Then maybe line up both sex's cheating partners and bash them too.
Guilt? all over the place on every side, but at some level we all, Christians and all, understand right or wrong sex is a basic instinct

Belly and others

Most of us on OLO are middle aged (me included) and have moved on from sleeping around. I find older people who aren't directly affected by promiscuity and who get all philosophical about it quite irritating. When they were being dumped because their partner didn't want to be stuck with one person, they weren't being so mature. When I was twenty, I wanted to have sex with every second woman that I saw, but I knew that they would be anything but philosophical when they found out they were just a bit of fun. Its a bit much now to say "aw it isn't so bad".