I'm actually hoping that Turnbull gets rolled this evening, and that the Coalition goes into a double dissolution election with the Mad Monk or the gormless Kevin Andrews as their leader.

The ETS/CPRS as now proposed has been so compromised as to be worse than useless.

Malcolm has chosen the wrong path.He has elected to to fall in line with his global central bank masters.

There is an underground internet resistence that will see Kevin Rudds New World Govt or new world order come asunder.

This carbon tax is nothing but a scam.Al Gore is the best con man we've seen since Bai Lin Tea.

Malcolm got his way - squeaked in by 1 vote.

That means half his party room doesn't support him.

We may yet see Kevin Andrews or Tony Abbott at the helm - EGAD!

Will one of you enlightened prophets please explain how and why this is a global scam, who is behind it and who is going to make the so-called billions out of it?

(Try to avoid references to Illuminati if possible).

good question...ok lets say start with the farmers

and the coal industry..to who..7 billion was given away today

then the tax...[5 percent...on everything bought and sold]

this goes to the carbon credit exchange/dealers..[who sell off the extra credits....getting commission..for the carbon securities exchange

[the carbon credit/market..is estitmated at 2 trillion per year]..rising to twenty billion 2020...who gets the money isnyt as important as who will pay it

all...of us...
except you lot
that got special dispensation to polute

Runner, arjay, one under God, good grief have we all gone mad?
My in box is full of bigotry, not from a cult, but from mainstream Christians.
Full of hate and spite about? another religion.
Yes CJM this scheme is no longer a system just a traded down shadow of one.
Runner I truly wonder are you a Christian? or from a cult?
Your blind bigotry is not at least from the Christ I grew up with.
Arjay do you understand your reality is not real?
Today right now the Australian conservative movement is in a place my ALP once was, after the Catholic church/DLP split it.
This blind self damage may take two decades to fix, yes 20 years, who today can lead them back on track?
Can anyone tell me what gains can be made by opposing this in the house?
Yet rest assured it has not passed yet, it may not, and that election if it comes will bring great drama to us all.